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$100/Day Milestone
what worked, what didn't
mt1955




msg:3319335
 9:50 pm on Apr 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I started working with Adsense on October 19th, 2005. As of yesterday, April 22nd 2007 I finally had my first $100 day. I know there are people here who average more than that but for me it's a milestone and I want to celebrate (Margarita's tonight!) I also wanted to give something back to the webmaster community. I know I haven't posted much here but I have lurked quite a bit and it's been helpful.

What has helped me...

  • Maintain site maps and keep them up to date
  • Cultivate visitor loyalty - most of my visitors (usually around 2/3) are people using bookmarks to come back
  • Make content that people really want to see
  • When I see a way to do something better than what is currently available, do it.
  • When I see a way to substantially improve what I already have out there, do it (but sometimes this has backfired)
  • Keep 4 or 5 new things in the pipeline at all times. The cycle for my content is typically a month or two of slow build-up, then a quick (100 ~ 300%/week) spike, followed by a small decline (~ 10%/week) and then a plateau. The best content I have continues a gentle rise from the plateau. Lesser content tends to have a sharper decline after the peak (20 ~ 30%) followed by stagnation or a gradual decay. Once I had enough new stuff in works I started getting a steady stream of peaks which seem to make the daily revenue more uniform.

    What did not really help me...
    (I realize the things which did not work out well for me probably do great by some people.)

  • Link swapping with other websites
  • Attempting to manipulate search engine results by artificial means.
  • Using ads to drive traffic to my sites (I turned $50 into a nickel in one day)
  • Banner ads across the top of a page (thousands of impressions, no clicks)
  • The Adsense "heat map" - my best results are coming from sites with navigation on the left, content in the middle and single a column of ads on the right of tall pages or a single rectangle in the upper right corner of shorter pages.
  • Excessive number of ads per page. At first I was putting them everywhere possible but in my case too many ads seemed to be causing a decline in the number of return visitors
  • Attempting to perform well with "high paying keywords" by covering topics that I am not really passionate about. I just don't care much about asbestos and structured settlements
  • Parked domains
  • If all I can do is make something the same as what is currently available, don't bother; my "me too" sites have never run a close second, more like 999th.

    About the work...

  • I typically put in two hours in the morning, two hours in the evening and about 10 ~ 12 hours each weekend.
  •  

    phlogit




    msg:3327263
     11:30 am on May 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Nice 1, $100 a day. joined this forum just to say that.

    jimlim




    msg:3328470
     12:24 pm on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Now, I earn at 1 $/week T T

    why I can get a traffic?

    [edited by: jatar_k at 12:55 pm (utc) on May 2, 2007]
    [edit reason] no urls thanks [/edit]

    rickhz




    msg:3329762
     1:56 pm on May 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

    I have set $100 a day as a milestone as well. I have come pretty close, but I have found after a couple years at this that it seems Google has decided how much my site is worth and will never let me exceed that no matter what I do.

    I have given them more impressions, clicks, higher CTR. Some months it looks like I am on track to meet my goals, but then WHAM, they cut the ECPM down big time.

    I add pages galore... I have SEOd until I couldn't SEO anything else, yet it all averages out to the same...

    Last month Google started adding tips to the Adsense homepage. My tip was to get rid of the ads in my competative ad filter. This came just a couple days after I went over my site with the adsense preview tool picking out all the MFAs I could.

    Instead of being praised by G for my efforts in removing bad Adwords customers they said it was hurting my earnings...

    So, I emptied my filter. For a couple days my income increasd. I was like "wow they were right" but then just as suddenly... WHAM. Back to the same or lower number than before. Last month I earned a few hundred less than the month before, even though I emptied my filter, added pages, and removed poor performing ad placements.

    So far this month is looking WAY worse than last month, but knowing G they will kick up my ECPM by mid month so it all averages out to be about the same as always:(

    Can you tell I'm frustrated? In normal jobs you see benefits when you work harder. In this job I work harder and longer, but I can't even find out exactly why my efforts don't produce a higher level of income. That just ain't right...

    mydomainoffer




    msg:3331942
     3:03 am on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Congratulation on your milestone!

    Can you tell us how many click do you typically get for 100 impression.

    Jane_Doe




    msg:3331999
     6:17 am on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

    but I can't even find out exactly why my efforts don't produce a higher level of income.

    Adsense requires a different strategy than affiliate programs. With affiliate programs there is usually no penalty for nonconverting traffic but the same isnt always true for Adsense because of the smart pricing factor. With Adsense sometimes more traffic hurts you if it is not very targeted or on a noncommercial topic.

    koan




    msg:3332063
     9:23 am on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

    With Adsense sometimes more traffic hurts you if it is not very targeted or on a noncommercial topic.

    Uhmm, that was an interesting point I haven't considered yet. Thanks for mentioning it.

    Guthix2007




    msg:3332200
     4:31 pm on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

    wow! very inpressive what is your website? all i have is just forums for now but i made $13 in one day :/

    matrix_neo




    msg:3332946
     2:52 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

    I have set $100 a day as a milestone as well. I have come pretty close, but I have found after a couple years at this that it seems Google has decided how much my site is worth and will never let me exceed that no matter what I do.

    Some times I feel the same, may be just a frustration ;)

    rickhz




    msg:3333030
     4:11 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

    With affiliate programs there is usually no penalty for nonconverting traffic but the same isnt always true for Adsense because of the smart pricing factor. With Adsense sometimes more traffic hurts you if it is not very targeted

    Here's my take on that. My main site is a forum, with lots of repeat visitors. Repeat vistors who view the same banner ads over and over without clicking is no different than a commuter driving past a billboard on the highway over and over without ever contacting the advertiser.

    It's all about name and product recogition. They don't care that you're not going to run out and buy that day from the billboard advertiser, they care that the message is firmly implanted in your brain and that you will seek out their product when it's time to make a purchase.

    Our websites are no different than billboards.

    I feel small publishers (smaller than big players such a national media outlets) get the raw end of the deal in MANY ways. We don't know exactly what it takes to earn more money, we get banned without any "back and forth" communtication with "G" and in my case their optimization tips just flat didn't work.

    wolfadeus




    msg:3334894
     3:02 pm on May 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Congratulations! I started at around the same time and currently make something like 10$/day - seems like a glass-wall for me that I can't get over.

    Oliver Henniges




    msg:3334946
     3:55 pm on May 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

    > Last month Google started adding tips to the Adsense homepage.

    I got the advice to put some more ads on each page. I thought that advice was an April's fool, honestly, because it arrived at April 1st, and adding more ads on my pages definitely wouldn't make sense, because Adsense revenues are not my primary intention. Less than pocket money, currently.

    congrats for reaching your goals, mt1955;

    Would you be so kind to tell us some details about

    - age of your primary website
    - average yearly growth rate
    - average number daily uniques at present?

    Just rough figures, don't violate any TOS.

    80 $$ a day is a respectable sum for a young person without family and children to make a living and solely concentrate on his webprojects. I'd suspect there's many students and other younger people following this forum. Some might neglect their studies or other duties due to the illusions drawn from such success-stories. I do not want to be too negative, but we all have the responsbility young people don't ruin themselves.

    hanglide




    msg:3335364
     11:03 pm on May 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

    mt1955 First off - Congratulations.

    Second - Thanks for sharing your experience

    Third - If I may ask - and I apologize if this is off topic - How do (most) people here make money from their websites?

    Are most people running "store front" sites and drop shipping merchandise?

    It sounds like you write content of some type which in turn (hopefully) drives traffic to your website then generates ad revenue from Adsense on a pay per click basis?

    How many hits (and/or clicks) a day does it take for a site to generate $100/day in Adsense revenue?

    Would you care to recommend a subject(s) to base a site on?

    Comments from all are welcome and greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    Scott

    mt1955




    msg:3335526
     4:49 am on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    ... growth rate?
    I didn't get Google Analytics until March of 2006 so I can't give you the whole history. I do know I have over 10x the traffic now that I had in December, 2005. In December of 2006 my sites got forced off the shared server I had been using for 6 years and I had to migrate to a dedicated server.

    ... stats?

    I think I can give stats from Google Analytics w/o violating any TOS. This is from the top producing domain which has been online since 3Q 2000, according to the Google Analytics Dashboard for the last 30 days: 486,253 people visited this site, 4,229,375 Visits, 2.05 Pages/Visit, 8,674,358 Pageviews, 9.95% New Visits

    Would you care to recommend a subject(s) to base a site on?

    What has worked out the best for me are things I am passionate about. I'll give you one example from my life; injection snoreplasty. Someone I was in a relationship with got me to go through with it. It hurt, a LOT, but it turned out to be a topic I could cover online in a genuine manner that was helpful to others. I don't recommend that as a topic or a way to come up with content but it did turn out to be a high eCPM thing :-)

    Dc71




    msg:3335700
     9:59 am on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Congratulations are in Order - $100 a day is a real achomplishment. I have set my goal to $365

    My Goal is the same however I don't commite hardly as much time in it as you do.

    - When I reach it I plan on Paying some bills off starting with the MBNA mastercard bill I have been carrying from a google adwords campaign that I just got a Notice in the mail from the Superior Court of Justice Richmond Hill Claims Court. My adsense income stoped last time when one of my last websites got banned 2 hours after mentioning it in this forum. Of Course when I start making this a day, This will just be chump change.

    [edited by: jatar_k at 5:31 pm (utc) on May 10, 2007]
    [edit reason] no specifics thanks [/edit]

    genem




    msg:3335965
     3:04 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Congrats, mt1955! What traffic levels are you enjoying? More like 100s or 1000s uniques a day?

    Eazygoin




    msg:3335999
     3:31 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Dc71
    I'm not sure quite what your point is, as on checking your website, the Google Page Rank Bar is grey, which means your site isn't being ranked.
    If this is in fact the case, you are apparently into SEO, but spending loads on advertising.
    Am I missing something here, as a target of $365 seems odd, especially when you are spending a small fortune advertising your site.

    Dc71




    msg:3336089
     5:11 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    I will help you understand what I mean. I feel whoever one of your forum members that is responsible for the hand editing google and delisting of my website be responsible for that bill.

    Sounds Fair Right?
    Or do all of our actions have no concequence when we work for google.

    And I believe that number is fair I pick and have achieve it in the past however I Notice at google as soon as it come time to "Check Time" to pay its affiliates all too often.

    "Invalid Clicks" are suddenly found and nothing paid. Help me understand why it is Google Exists.

    The number I picked is fine and very achievable since I have done it before however at the end of the month google always seems to cancle all accounts that make over 800 a month.

    Its commonplace for the employees that are based in these 3rd world Countries that get paid so low to get jealous of paying out large amounts. However this goes hand in hand with googles highering practices. A strategize used excesively by a religion of the past.

    Oliver Henniges




    msg:3336138
     6:21 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    > What has worked out the best for me are things I am passionate about.

    Yeah.

    Thx for the figures.

    I was interested in growth rate only in so far as
    1) age of domain is a very important ranking factor at present: Other people - even if as passionate as you - might not acchieve such a goal until 2015 if they started today.
    2) A young student might be interested in getting to know how long it might take to make a living from adsense or whether he'd better continue reading books.

    Seems a similar ecpm like on my site though I have far less visitors. This suggests, that it is the topic, which you are primarily interested in, not the revenue. I'd speculate you did not do very much to optimize adsense revenues by adding more adds or twinkering background colours an such things, but instead concentrated on content and user-benefit. This is always the best long-term-strategy.

    4 mio unique visitors in one month: Even if you account for half of that being spiders and other machines, this means that presumably every day a hundred thousand people spend some seconds or minutes of their lifetime on your site. A great responsibility for you.

    There are companies, which spent thousands of dollars to place a small TV-spot in a show with 100.000 visitors for a few seconds. Google pays 100. The decline of the traditional mass media has not even really started.

    Good luck for your further projects, and don't do evil.

    Dc71




    msg:3336170
     6:50 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    I enjoyed your last post.

    matrix_neo




    msg:3336187
     7:16 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Site with unique reasonable quality articles about 500 words each on different verticles like finance, education, marketing did not work for me.

    Dc71




    msg:3336255
     8:26 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Yahoo bounced a 1500 dollar check on me even I don't expect much from the verticle crawler team to do anything more than give me laughs kissing jen on the dance floor and me knowing everything about every employee's life history on a plater to me.

    So let me be clear I am nobodys friend here I just want my 50,000 dollars back from losing investments in search.

    Dc71




    msg:3336271
     8:43 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    As well I am busy with the current google audit on 77-0398689

    xalex




    msg:3336281
     8:56 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Its lot tougher to get $100/day consistently. Reaching $100 is a start. Your next aim is to consistently get $100/day at least on slow days.

    Oliver Henniges




    msg:3336432
     11:32 pm on May 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Site with unique reasonable quality articles about 500 words each on different verticles like finance, education, marketing did not work for me.

    OP said he has 4 mio uniques per month on a very limited niche-subject, the topic of which I did not even find in my dictionary, with a page covering a couple thousand articles I assume. You claim to have "quality content" on three very broad and highly-competitive topics, which require seven years of university studies EACH to get a limited insight into the nature of the topic in general.

    It is easy to write something about anything. But whether what has been written is of any quality, has through all centuries been decided by others: By (amount of) quotations in scientific papers, by links to your site in the internet age. And google is getting better day by day to decide faked backlinks from honest ones.

    I did not read what you had written, so I must excuse if I am totally wrong, but it sounded as if; and I doubt anyone will be able to become an expert or authority on all three subjects you mentioned.

    Dc71




    msg:3336472
     12:24 am on May 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Error
    We apologize for the inconvenience, but we are unable to process your request at this time. Our engineers have been notified of this problem and will work to resolve it.

    I seem to be having problems loging into my Adsense Account are all adsense accounts comprimized or just mine?

    alfawolf7




    msg:3341752
     5:45 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Sorry but I simply do not believe it is possible to keep up this sort of trend. And Google knows this. The constant change FROM and BACK TO different levels of Page Rank and new keyword ranking issues means that your joy will be short lived. The only way to make money is to go out and get a real job :)

    Oliver Henniges




    msg:3341901
     11:40 am on May 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

    > The only way to make money is to go out and get a real job :)

    LOL. the question is, what is "real." People like, for instance, Pyrrho [en.wikipedia.org], George Berkeley [en.wikipedia.org] or Timothy Leary [en.wikipedia.org] had some very specific opinions on this matter, and I personally have the impression that a substantial part of their thinking and ideas is currently becoming very, very "real" by exactly these internet technologies.

    And there IS money out there, quite a lot actually. Google is neither a sufficient nor a necessary condition to grab it, just helpful.

    Ellision




    msg:3342687
     5:48 am on May 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Congratulations mt!

    mine is only $0.xx per day~ how sad i am~!

    experienced




    msg:3343949
     2:56 pm on May 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

    we have multiple account with the aprox 30$/day in each, but now a days it is really not the same cool season due to the google changing strategy fore the adsense sites. started in 2003 and reached to 3000$ approx per month for couple of months but it seems that now that strategy does not work anymore.

    Even new sites with the all new content (Off-course made for adsense)are not doing anything at all. Google anylyze sites they r made for what..? if it is really something not made for ads, will do good, but if it is made for GADS, hardly you can earn a good amount even after a good website with content. Its all different pictures for everybody...

    tahiti




    msg:3344442
     6:37 am on May 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

    This thread reminds me on Rfung's $300/day quest.

    @Mt1955: Congrats on your achievement! you didn't mention much on how you grew your website traffics. writing good content and visitors will come by themselves? (your content must be REALLY good then...) or, is there other promotional method?

    @Matrix_neo: are you suggesting that website focus on a single niche works well for you?

    Thanks for the wonderful thread! this surely motivates more google adsenser to work harder. (means more competition? :))

    CheeseburgerBrown




    msg:3344566
     12:45 pm on May 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Kudos, and thanks for sharing your notes.

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