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site banned, now use new domain
will google ban the new domain too?
evan081




msg:3297216
 10:02 am on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

My site was recently banned by google, what will happen if I register a new domain, then setup the same site, and then 301 redirect the banned domain to the new one? will google ban the new one too?

of course, the new domain will completely be within google adsense compliance, and will not repeat what happened with the previous domain, anyone with some facts on this matter?

Thanks in advance

 

abbeyvet




msg:3297235
 10:47 am on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Do you mean that you were asked to remove AdSense from one site, or that the AdSense account associated with that site has been terminated?

If the AdSense account has been closed, that's it, game over, you cannot have another account or another site with AdSense on.

evan081




msg:3297483
 3:47 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I said "My site" was banned. not my account

Pengi




msg:3297530
 4:34 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

But I thought it was account holders who get banned (and anyone who is deemed to be associated with the banned account holder) - not the sites.

What form does a "Site Ban" take? What was the message you received from Google?

[edited by: Pengi at 4:35 pm (utc) on Mar. 30, 2007]

abbeyvet




msg:3297563
 5:09 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know what you said, I was trying to clarify what you meant. Which is still unclear.

As Pengi says, sites don't get banned from AdSense, accounts get closed/terminated/banned - whatever you like to call it. So it is not at all clear what you mean when you say your site was banned.

Do you mean the site was deemed unsuitable for AdSense? That it was banned from Google's index? Or that it was your AdSense account that was banned (though your second answer implies it wasn't this)? Or something else entirely?

Nobody can offer either advice or their experience until it's clear what they are being asked to comment on.

evan081




msg:3297660
 5:52 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

No, I meant what I said.

I have several sites that run adsense.

1 of the site got banned because of the way I displayed the ads on that particular site. They now disabled ad serving on that site, but my account remains active, I can still put adsense on my other sites.

so site ban, and account ban is 2 different things

Pengi




msg:3297667
 6:00 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

It sounds as if they are saying that the particular site is not suitable for AdSense.

You need to ensure that you understand why the site is not suitable. (I would expect that it violates at least one of the terms and conditions.)

You then need to remove the AdSense code from any and all of your sites that are not complying with the AdSense Terms and conditions. (I believe that you should do this yourself rather than rely on Google identifying problems).

Once you have confirmed that all you current sites are complying with the Terms and Conditions, it should be OK to add AdSense to a new site (provided that site is compliant).

Wilful and persistant failure to comply with the Terms and Conditions risks getting the account banned.

evan081




msg:3297696
 6:26 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have been running that site for 2 years with adsense, it only got banned because of "the way" i displayed the ads (as mentioned above). NOTHING to do with the site or it's content, it's content is 100% adsense safe. just the implementation is was not right (eg. having images next to ads? something similar).

i think this is the wrong place to ask, no one seems to answer my actual question, and dont know the difference between site ban and account ban :(

Vlad




msg:3297748
 7:11 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Why not remove images that are next to your ads and contact google telling them you have fixed your site?

No reason to get cocky here. If you would have explained your question better in the first place, maybe you would have gotten better replys.

celgins




msg:3297760
 7:14 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

If your Adsense account was banned/terminated, you would no longer be able to log in to Adsense and Google would not serve ads to any pages.

Since you say ads are still available to your other sites and you're still able to log in and administer your Adsense account, Google must not like the site you say has been "banned."

The reason no one understands what you're saying is because Google doesn't look at one site out of 10 and say: "Okay, this site is showing ads incorrectly, so we're banning it."

If they believe you have violated the TOS, they simply ban/terminate your entire Adsense account -- and not just restrict you from showing ads on the "banned" website.

If they have restricted you from showing ads on one of your sites (and only 1), -- that's new information. I've never seen it work that way.

ann




msg:3297793
 7:51 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have heard of this happening but the website was given another inspection when the problem was cured and Google notified.

I personally think copping an attitude in here is not the best thing to do and we all hope you are not doing that,

You could have said ONE of my sites------not giving the impression that you only have one and it was banned. If that had been the case (one site) then your account would have been terminated.

Ann

Pengi




msg:3297896
 9:53 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

NOTHING to do with the site or it's content, it's content is 100% adsense safe. just the implementation is was not right (eg. having images next to ads? something similar).

If you have ads too close to images you will not be "100% adsense safe" because that will present a significant risk of invalid clicks. It is in breach of the AdSense Terms and Conditions.

It sounds as though Google are giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if they find that you continue to break this rule, you will find that your whole account becomes banned. Check that you understand and are correctly applying the rules on all your sites if you wanyto protect your account.

If you have any doubt about the suitability of a site if displaying Adsense, you should check with Google before you add the AdSense code (and remember, that it is not permitted to put AdSense on any site that is produced solely for the purpose of displaying ads).

PS An Account Ban means that you will not be able to show AdSense on any site you own (or are associated with) and you will not receive any adsense income - ever. These are lifetime bans and seem to be given to those who disregard the Terms and Conditions.

[edited by: Pengi at 9:56 pm (utc) on Mar. 30, 2007]

sailorjwd




msg:3297955
 11:11 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here's an attitude for you:

What a stupid question.

All you need to do is fix the problem and have them take a look and you'll likely be allowed to show ads again. I assume you haven't been fixing the problem and sneaking it back in all this time and G finally got pissed.

Any funny business with 301s to similarly displayed ads will result in adsense death. Since i'll report you if I find you.

leadegroot




msg:3297974
 11:30 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Interesting - I've not seen a *site* banned before.
Anyway, I would first try to redo the existing site to meet their standards.
Then I would contact them most contritely, tell them how good I have been and ask them if I may pretty please show adsense on the site again.
Perhaps you would need to provide 'adsense goes here' style mockups to them?

If they say no and you go to a new domain, I would not 301 the old domain.
*but* once the new domain is up and working, you could, once again, ask them if you may pretty please 301 the old domain to the new.
I wouldn't do it without permission, and, assuming you have any sort of traffic to the old domain, I would not move to a new domain unless I had to.
When you write this time, you will need to reference the previous conversation that banned the domain.

Actually - what was the specific wording? Did they ban the *site* (which would mean your content, so your screwed) or did they ban *the domain*?
It makes a difference.

Really weird though, and you are *so* lucky - I've never heard of them banning just one site before, only entire accounts.

farmboy




msg:3298012
 1:24 am on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have been running that site for 2 years with adsense, it only got banned because of "the way" i displayed the ads...

Based on my experience from several years ago and based on what I've read from others, if a publisher is displaying ads in violation of the terms and it's not something malicious/serious, AdSense will email the publisher, point out the problem and thank you for correcting the problem after you do it and let them know.

Did AdSense send you a notice and ask you to correct a problem?

Michael Russell




msg:3298267
 12:43 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

We have numerous sites and 2 of them have been 'banned' by Adsense because of 1) Invalid text above ads and 2) Unacceptable content.

These are individual domains - not our entire account.

And regardless of correcting the problem the answer in both cases was 'once banned - always banned'.

In both cases the email indicated 'your account remains open but this site is no longer able to display adsense ads'.

evan081




msg:3298349
 3:04 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Vlad: sorry, but you don't understand the frustration when i asked a simple question, and a simply stated and clarified "my SITE was banned", nobody seem to understand that, they just jump to conclusion and says no im wrong, my account is banned, no such thing as site ban.

Pengi: read my sentence again. "it's content is 100% adsense safe"!

Sailorjwd. In an attempt to make me look stupid, you just sound stupid yourself. The problem was fixed immediately but they just disabled the site, there was no warning.

leadergroot: yes, its interesting :) and thanks for your input regarding my question :)

farmboy: unfortunately no, they just sent an email saying they found violation on a particular page, so they disabled adserving to the site. I fixed the problem, emailed them, they said no, if its banned, its banned for good.

Michael: thanks, my site content was ok, placement wasn't, no chance of correcting :(

jomaxx




msg:3298422
 4:57 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

they just sent an email saying they found violation on a particular page, so they disabled adserving to the site. I fixed the problem, emailed them, they said no, if its banned, its banned for good.

Okay, well it may please you to know that you're the first person this has ever happened to.

As for your original question, whether you can now move the site to a new domain name and redirect all the traffic there, that's a question for Google. Do it without their knowledge, and IMO you're flying pretty close to the sun.

abbeyvet




msg:3298473
 5:51 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Evan081,

My apologies if my answer seemed deliberately obtuse, it was not intended to, I was genuinely unsure what you meant. It's now apparant that a site ban in the absense of an account ban IS possible, I was not aware that it was.

Pengi




msg:3298613
 9:50 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Pengi: read my sentence again. "it's content is 100% adsense safe"!

Is this your view or Google's? What do you mean by "AdSense safe"

You say that "it only got banned because of "the way" I displayed the ads... " The rules about how ads are displayed are largely there to prevent misleading or inadvertent clicking. This suggests to me as though the site isn't "100% adsense safe".

Either way, I was not intending to criticise, but to offer guidance. If you fully understand why the site was banned, then you can ensure you do not repeat the offence. However, if you do not fully understand the nature of Google's concern, or if you have not removed any similar issues from other sites, then you are at risk of repeating the offence. Repeating, or failing to resolve, the problem would IMHO risk getting an account ban.

MThiessen




msg:3299333
 6:18 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've not seen a *site* banned before

Neither have I and I have been with them since the start of the program.

The only two people in this thread that claim *site* ban as opposed to *account* ban are new users. Coincidence?

ahhhhh another April Fools joke? Geeze I need to just stop reading this board for the day...

fischermx




msg:3299362
 6:59 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

I hate when a bunch of noobs fill the first page denying while a person is stating.

I'm not too old, but I've seen cases where just the site was banned, not the whole account.

So, that's possible.

And my advise for the O.P. is, consider yourself lucky and move on, don't play with that site content again, nor try to get another domain with the same content, you never know if they'll found out and get you now, the whole account banned.

MThiessen




msg:3299377
 7:15 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

well fischermx your the first non-newuser to state this, and I guess it could be true then, it is actually more fair to do it site by site imo.

But really, instead of fighting the ban, just make the site comply, or remove the ads. It is really simple...

content_adj




msg:3299715
 6:33 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

This has happened to number of websites during the google clarification that "images should not be placed near the ads" and adwords QS update, which happened almost simultaneously.

Typical scenario :

Generate cheap traffic through adwords

Place disguised ads next to images.

Result : Huge traffic - Huge CTR - Loss for advertisers - advertisers complain the website - Website is banned.

Can something like this work?
(I could be wrong )

1. Ban google bot from the website completely.
2. wait till the site is off the google index.
3. Meanwhile, register new domain and put the content here, fully rewritten.
4. redirect the traffic and other bots.
5. Add adsense - this time clean!
6. link building etc could become tedious

At least traffic from other sources can bring some money.

evan081




msg:3299764
 8:31 am on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the replies.

Jonmaxx: "Okay, well it may please you to know that you're the first person this has ever happened to."

You want to bet on that? :) It's quite common. Account bans are usually for serious offences by the user who deliberately try to scam google, such as click frauds or telling users to clicks. A site ban occurs when the site is the problem, not the user, such as invalid content.

Pengi: Sorry, I thought you were at my throat the whole time without knowing what I was talking about. when I say the site's content is safe, thats what I mean. It's a webmaster's tutorial site, the ads I displayed were in no way misleading. I gave the image as an example (which I also stated its an example).

MThiessen: well obviously you have not read enough. keep reading this board :)

fishcermx: Thanks for your advice. I may ask google this before I do anything. it's a really simple question really.. "is it ok to redirect traffic from a banned domain to a new site"? yeah.. i'll ask that.

content_adj. no my site didn't mislead users, it only had 1% CTR, no images next to ads.

well, basically I got banned for puttin ads in framed pages. If i had gotten banned for click frauds, misleading ads, I would have moved on and think thats my fault, but ads in frames, they didn't mention it in their policies, and their email didn't even say that its not legal to use frames, they just said I needed user's permissions to frame their sites.

MThiessen




msg:3300178
 4:07 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

MThiessen: well obviously you have not read enough. keep reading this board :)

LOL you have a future in comedy. :p

jomaxx




msg:3300291
 5:42 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Framing other people's pages?

[webmasterworld.com...]

There have been many complaints in WW threads about this kind of practice. I'm glad Google seems to be cracking down now, although I'm mystified why it was ever tolerated.

evan081




msg:3300315
 6:08 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

This policy is nowhere to been seen in their TOS and Policies.. if you know where it is, can you point it out to me? thanks

I understand that there are lots of proxy sites that got banned because of this, but I thought they were because people using proxy sites to surf adult and illegal materials, my site simply frame other relevant sites :(

If it was in the terms and policies in the first place, I would not have done this, they even have an option to place ads in frames at one point, so I thought frames are ok

netmeg




msg:3300332
 6:30 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Why would you think it's okay to put your adsense onto content from someone else's website without their permission? Just because you weren't specifically told not to?

celgins




msg:3300344
 6:39 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think you're forgetting that Google's policies and terms are enforceable beyond Adsense. Meaning, just because you don't find it within the Adsense TOS, it may still be listed in Google's general Program Policies.

But I think the framing issue is related to:

Copyrighted Material
Website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with content protected by copyright law unless they have the necessary legal rights to display that content. Please see our DMCA policy for more information.

Even if the other site is relevant, you're still showing their copyrighted material. This may not be a problem to you or to the other website owner, but it becomes a problem with Google if you show Adsense ads on the same page.

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