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Anyone still putting pictures beside ad units?
jasonnoguchi




msg:3293294
 1:18 pm on Mar 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I see many sites still doing that without so much of a penalty... do it still matter to google?

 

wyweb




msg:3293302
 1:35 pm on Mar 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Whether it does or not, tactics like that will get you smartpriced in short order.

kool002




msg:3293436
 4:03 pm on Mar 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Don't use images otherwise someone will report you and it will trigger a manual review and your account will get smart priced.

That's exactly what happened to me as I did not knew about using image policy and the site was bought.

Anyway..
Can somebody tell me how do I get out of smart pricing thing.

1-
Improve the quality of traffic and I will get my previous rates per click?

2-
Improve content to increase length of visitor stay and paview per visit.

3-
create a new adsense account and use totally new sites so google will never know?

4-
Ask google for review

5-
Give less adspace to google. I already have some success with this method.

6- Any other advise to come out of smart pricing.

joelgreen




msg:3293547
 6:15 pm on Mar 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

create a new adsense account and use totally new sites so google will never know?

Never do so. They will find out and ban you.

kool002




msg:3293748
 10:21 pm on Mar 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Why will they ban.

Me and my wife both can apply and have our own websites.

Right?
We will us totally new sites on new accounts

howiejs




msg:3297320
 1:04 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

another corporation or person can have another adsense account

but you can't run the same domains - as they are "marked" . . .

and Google can see through the other corp to "you"
your ip checking the adsense account
etc . . .

ann




msg:3297799
 8:00 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

That's what I like. Someone who is not afraid to tell Google and the rest of the world just how they plan to grab the end of that golden rainbow. :)

Ann

kool002




msg:3297886
 9:39 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I asked google and they replied.

One person one account. But they say if I have one account then my wife can also get one in her name.

nomis5




msg:3298223
 10:42 am on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

One person one account, but what about the situation where one person has their own company, as I did. I split ads over the the same site using both accounts for about a year. It was a real true distinction between the cmpany and me as an individual. The original website was mine, but improvemnets and additional pages after that date were the company's. And I charged expenses to the company for those pages. Google never seemed to mind. That stopped abbout a year ago when I closed the company, maybe things have changed in that time.

joelgreen




msg:3298615
 9:56 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

jasonnoguchi, it still matters to Google. But as I understood from following thread Google could ban site only, not the whole account
[webmasterworld.com...]

But they say if I have one account then my wife can also get one in her name.

Sure its ok to have separate account per person. It is even sometimes ok to have few accounts per person (when specially approved by Google).
Such accounts would be treated by Google as related (if you use same ip, or you access wife's account, and vice versa). Both would most likely be banned in case one of them got banned.

google will never know

I believe Google will know. They have gmail, orkut, toolbar, webmaster tools, and other ways of knowing people are related.
But nothing to afraid of if you are "white hat".

btas2




msg:3299315
 6:02 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Don't use images otherwise someone will report you and it will trigger a manual review and your account will get smart priced.

If it's against Google's rules and someone reports you, triggering a manual site review, then why would Google chose to smartprice you rather than close your account or tell you to remove the images?

It makes no sense. Is the "smartpricing becuase of images" just another Google myth?

Is it seriously being suggested that Google tolerates violations of the rules and uses smartpricing as a punishment?

WallyWorld




msg:3299436
 9:02 pm on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's not just IP checking that Google does to identify you. They know the ID's of the computers you use, too. If you are going to setup a new account to cercumvent a ban, you had better change domains, domain registration, hosts, ISP's, and use new computers. It wouldn't hurt to move to another state so your geo targeting changes also.

Mfaman




msg:3303733
 9:40 pm on Apr 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here's one way of sorting out several Google adsense accounts;

First - why do we want several? Well, simple - by dividing your sites into chunks belonging to different Adsense accounts, smartpricing won't be such a big problem, if it happens it will affect only a portion of your sites. Also - if one account gets disabled (well, let's face it - Google hasn't got the best reputation there) it is not the end of the world. If you want to do this for a living, surely you can't put all your eggs in the only-machines-listening-at-Google basket.

Right here's how:

Put your first X sites (25-100) with one hosting provider wherever. These will all get the same IP number. Use a proxy script capable of https handling (for logging into Adsense), upload that to your host. CGIProxy is good, that is freeware and works fine (warning: you need to make sure certain technical requirements are there with your host).

When signing up for Google account no 1, go via your proxy script. That way Google will see your IP as the same as your sites. Fine, just what we want. So much for GeoTargeting. Remember to use this for all logons to this Adsense account in the future (make a bookmark!).

Then put your next Y sites with another hosting provider, with physical servers in another state. Repeat as above, create Google adsense account 2 via a proxy script from hosting account no 2. Etcetera, can be repeated as many times as you wish.

Then you need a name and an address. Different for each account.

If you are lucky enough to have several first names, say Richard Millhouse Nixon - then you can sign up as 1) Richard Nixon and 2) Millhouse Nixon. Because banks will cash cheques in both names.

When you have run out of names of your own, your wife, children etc - you need to resort to companies. Just make sure they are offshore and board is either invisible or unrelated to yourself. If you can't afford offshore (around $1500 per annum), use on-shore but then very important to have different board members.

Addresses - use your own, your mothers, fathers, your company, your friends etc. Try to spread them over as many states and countries as possible.

Sometime Google wants to have a phone no where they read you a PIN code. You can do that with free IP phone numbers that you ditch after using them once.

Remains to look at your OS, keyboard language and browser. Now it's overkill to change all these (there are programs that can simulate this for you if you are paranoid). If you stick to Windows XP, IE 6-7 and an American keyboard, you should be fine. There will be plenty of these around so fingerprint not very unique.

I'm actually running a number of sites and accounts like this and it works. Whether Google has "connected" the accounts, well we won't know until they try to shut one down - but I think it is reasonably well covered.

Budget versions:

Use existing proxies out there - downside is that others may use them as well and site owners may not be trustworthy and snoop on your account details. But it is simpler.

Use the TOR network - downside is others using it as well for the same purpose. However it is safer against snoopers.

I'm using Tor to write this - of course. GeoTarget me and you'll get it totally wrong....

I also used a disposable email address to sign up here - they are pretty good, get them here:

[10minutemail.com...]

Other precautions:
Always look at your sites at hosting 1 via the proxy at hosting 1 (etcetera).

Tweedelihum,
MFA

kool002




msg:3303830
 11:45 pm on Apr 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"
Is it seriously being suggested that Google tolerates violations of the rules and uses smartpricing as a punishment?
"

But it may happen. Consider this scenario.

I used images with ads.
I removed images after a warning email
A manual review was done and it was found CTR plummeted after taking off images. which is suggestive of people clicking ads thinking of content.
The google guy triggers mannual smart pricing.

This is not the end of story.

Now every week auto smart pricing kicks in and I recovered slowly according to your CTR.
Not fully and noway near to what was before.

Makes sense? Atleast That's what I have attributed to my fall of ePCM and slow recovery later on.

Thanks

potentialgeek




msg:3304165
 11:44 am on Apr 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

There are different ways to put pictures beside ads. Not all are illegal or even misleading. The misleading ads, as Google made perfectly clear, are one image per text link.

Even if you get smart priced, it's not always a bad thing. Do the math.

Example:

2,000 clicks @ $0.02/click = $40
150 clicks @ 0.20/click = $30

Experiment. Are you going to be the boutique which sells less at high prices, or the Wal-Mart which succeeds by volume at discounts?

Smart pricing isn't a permanent blacklisting. It reportedly gets rechecked and revised weekly. Try the aggressive ads and the passive advertising. Find the sweet spot.

p/g

nippi




msg:3320653
 10:48 pm on Apr 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

I always place images by google adds, just not one image per add.

One image, per add block, is fine. its google approve, it increase revenue.

Just make sure the image, is clearly related to the SITE not the ADD. You wish to draw attention to the add, and get someone who then reads the add, is interested in the add, to click it.

You don't want them to click it, because they thought the picture beside/near it had something to do with the add... that's immoral, lowers click conversion rates, will get you smart priced etc.

ann




msg:3321546
 6:45 pm on Apr 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Awhile back Google stated to place a line or divider between the ads and the images so as not to fool anyone.

I don't use ads that way but that is how I would do it if I did.

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