| 1:35 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|It seems that posts like that are not in vogue anymore. On the contrary, the mood on the forum is bearish as epc take a painful relentess dive. |
Not everyone's EPC is taking a "painful relentless dive," but the warnings that many of us made a couple of years ago ("Don't bet your future on an 'AdSense career," "Don't put all your eggs in one basket") were valid then and are still valid today.
AdSense isn't a business model. In Google's words, AdSense is simply "a fast and easy way for website publishers of all sizes to display relevant Google ads on their website's content pages and earn money."
| 1:38 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I gave up my day job for Adsense and Affiliate, made more $$ in four years than i could have in 25. granted things have changed but that is to be expect in our industry. Always be ready for change!
| 1:53 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
AdSense is doing well for me and most people I know and in another poll two weeks ago most people posted that they were doing very well with AdSense. Do we have to do this again?
There are a couple senior members here and there who are hurting but I'd say they're the exception and no way are they the rule.
Don't believe the hype from some of these newbs complaining about halving of their AdSense. Usually they're talking about a loss of five dollars per day. A gross exagerration of the phrase, "My AdSense earnings are halved."
And I don't believe the hype from the people complaining about poor CTR and earnings. Those sites generally deserve poor CTR because from the ones I've seen it's usually something that's painfully and obviosly a poor subject for AdSense, like a page of free photo downloads. Has zero, absolutely nothing to do with commerce, and subsequently CTR and earnings are low. Duh, right? Well we can keep hammering this point over and over and over and we'll still get people who just don't get it and frankly, they will never get it.
Remember the good old days when Google was pretty easy to game? Even back then we had whiners who couldn't get it, as easy as it was back then. The older I get the more I'm convinced there will always be a class of people for whom internet marketing is not their thing.
| 3:52 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Whhhhhoooaaaa MB... is this you or has someone hijacked your ID?
What happened to the ultra-cool MB?
Ask ANY grade school teacher and they will give you a list of 1,000,001 things that they CAN EXPECT from kids in the first year of school. They don't expect the kids to ask the seniors what they should do or shouldn't do. They make mistakes, then their teacher corrects them. It's been like that since the beginning, it will be like that probably forever.
In Adsense they're called Newbies for a reason. And unless I'm mistaken, that's one of the reasons why they come to this forum. Newbies (and non-newbies) ARE going to ask questions we've dealt with OVER and OVER again...! I was a newbie once and frankly, I always feel like a newbie everytime I read exchanges of opinions between folks like Hobbs, EFV, Ann, Trannack, Khensu, DamonHD, Hunderdown, Optirex, Pengi, IncrediBill, Green_grasss.... so many more! Once I've learnt something, it's up to me to teach other Newbies if I want to. If not, then I'll just ignore the thread like I ignore threads by folks I KNOW are Adsense spammers and "troublemakers".
AS for genuine newbies, they need to learn from seniors. They will still keep asking "DUMB" questions and think out loud. That's why Luke Skywalker needed ObiWan Kenobi. He didn't have a forum on how to be a Jedi knight! Even if he did, he was more interested in trying out his cooool light saber instead of reading threads about how to use it... and ObiWan WAS patient because he knew Luke was a newbie!
Back to topic, I started with dreams of being a full time Adsenser. Now I think... no way.. Not only do I NOT put all my eggs in one basket, I'm learning what else to do with those eggs - boil, poached, scrambled, fried, raw...
There... that's my half-boiled EPC .02 cents opinion... I expect I'll be barbequed for this... 8(
ps... hmmmm why do I always feel hungry after posting here?
| 5:02 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I didn't quit my day job for AdSense because I'm supposed to be retired. (though I have to wonder why I'm working hours every day on my sites) . But in my case I am seeing my income gradually increasing. Not getting rich quick but I don't see a down turn either.
I find what makes the difference is increased traffic and how much is added to the sites. I checked my stats and my EPC is a little lower than a year ago but it is much, much higher than 2004 and 2005. Are we comparing with a year ago or longer ago?
| 5:45 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Well as the other members of the Great Ennead know I am moving into a mountaintop house by a lake worth 3 times the money of the current. Left my consulting job that I was working part time and now live on Adsense.
(did I mention I doubled my adsense income since December). I have been with Adsense since December 05 and posted increased income every month (using one website and the same evergreen content).
Marketing, marketing, marketing!-!-!
I am honored Andrew that you include me in the illuminated, pass the salt.
[edited by: Khensu at 5:46 am (utc) on Mar. 10, 2007]
| 6:33 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Quiting day job for adsense? I was thinking about that but… three days ago one of my sites (PR5, 100% unique content, no tricks, over 200 pages etc…) lost 90% of Google traffic without any reason. Before I was getting over 3000 unique visitors/day and now only 300. Guess what? Earnings on this site dropped 90% too. What a surprise! Quiting day job for adsense? Never! It’s not good business model for me.
| 7:29 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I replied in that original post and yes things are still going well for me with Adsense although I must admit that had I not diversified into selling online, affiliate schemes etc I would not be enjoying the lifestyle I have now.
I certainly don't regret giving up my day job. I would not have been able to travel as extensively as I have done otherwise.
I don't think anyone should regret anything in this life. You really have to look forward and take it from there.
| 7:44 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I changed my business from internet promotion for my clients to publisher of online magazines.
AdSenese makes it possible that I can visit all the interesting fairs and projects and receive even money for it.
| 8:13 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I am running an old stable AdSense monetized site full time, never had traffic fluctuations, and AdSense was reliable for years till the recent EPC dramatic drop.
As "notme" said it is all in the traffic, that is your strength and also your weakness, if AdSense goes poof, can you still make a living, I can, and that's why I am still working for myself.
Now if your traffic vanishes, that's another matter, you are out of business, I would only lose 50% of my traffic if Google runs out of Electricity or Love, and that is why I am now developing another web site for security.
Or as Andrew would put it, fry only one egg but keep it away from Luke Skywalker when he's playing with his new salt saber... What?
| 9:08 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Well, I have absolutely no regrets for closing UK business, moving to France and making 100% of income from Adsense and other internet related businesses.
Yes there are ups and downs, but fortunately the ups out weigh the downs. As long as you never get too complacemnt about the revenues you are getting - go with the flow, explore other revenue opportunites, and don't put all your eggs in one basket, you could/should be fine.
Personally, my revenue has continued to rise over the years - but I am continuuously fiddling, with the sites, looking at new ideas, etc. Although I work to suit me - I still put in a large amount of hours. I am never complacent - I always assume that an algo will hit me before it happens, and work to make sure I have down everything possible to prevent it - or taken alternative measure to move income from one source to another. Diversification is the key.
| 9:40 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Goodness, did someone confuse me with an expert again? B^>
I'm not a big hitter like Khensu, and my AS revenue only really has to pay for hosting for my main (non-profit) site, but that it does, for 7 dedicated servers with TBs of bandwidth over several continents.
I couldn't and wouldn't live on my AS revenue, and it is up and down, but like Trannack I'm always fiddling and learning and diversifying a little...
| 10:01 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Damon - you truley are an expert in your field, and your knowledge is enviable.
Re the newbies - and the never ending repeated threads. I have found the best way to tackle these is to PM them, instead of repeating information that has been here over and over again. We were all newbies once upon a time, and if you haven't been lurking around here for years, you are likely to ask questions that have been posted before.
I have found it extremely rewarding to help newbies out via PM - and have managed to help two people living in less developed countries earn a living from adsense, and perhaps have stopped at least one I've been banned thread appearing here! I wish more people were willing to help the newbies, and perhaps point them in the right direction. Dismiss the "get rich quick" notion, and turn a BAD website into something useful and good.
| 10:02 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
yes to all the above and above very good things from all.
Rolling out 4 new websites at the moment. One that will be larger than life and more potent than my 10yr old original.
Don't want to be bamgoogled by any means.
In 1992 I lost my business, house & car to the recession in NYC. I came out west with $500 and my clothes. In 2000 I moved to San Diego and was living on the beach and somewhat wealthy from product sales, after 9/11 I was wiped out again. Left in 2002 and crawled around AZ contracting until 2005 when I found Adsense.
Nope, I am pretty sure I can stay on the upside with Google. They would have to get wiped out and I would still survive. On thing I have learned is always stay one step farther down the road than the pack. I have my work planned out for the next year, five years, and ten years. I pretty much work a 60 hour week for myself rather than give it up to an employer and make them rich.
[edited by: Khensu at 10:08 am (utc) on Mar. 10, 2007]
| 10:25 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|They make mistakes, then their teacher corrects them. |
I agree with you on that point 100%. Thanks for bringing that up.
I'm a firm believer in helping people learn how to fish. That's what I like about this forum because there are many members here who give tremendously helpful advice, like ronburk among many others who give a lot of good advice to the community. It's gold what they post.
I would be doing newbies a disservice by not speaking up. If your niche is getting a fraction of one percent click through rate it may not be AdSense's fault. It may have to do with the niche.
For example, a site about free photo downloads may not do as well as a site with no free photo downloads but reviews websites that offer royalty free photos. It's not about the traffic volume, it's about the quality of traffic.
The reasons why people are at your site are extremely important. In the above two scenarios there is a world of difference. In one people are there for a freebie then gone. In the second scenario there is a higher percentage of visitors that have a credit card in hand. A site that compares the benefits of royalty free photo subscription sites is going to do way better than a site that simply delivers the goods for free.
Very low CTR is a symptom of a bad focus. Take charge of your destiny. Change the focus.
| 10:35 am on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I came to the table late in life but within two months I realize that if I had a day job I would have quit it like a shot to go full time.
Earning levels are down somewhat but still livable.
| 12:53 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I didn't actually quit my day job (since I own the business) but I did stop accepting new work for 18 months.
Now back working full time. Although, now that I have all these new projects under my belt I can go back and add a ton of content and eventually ease-off again on the day to day grind. I had run out of ideas for content at one point.
But it is a full time job either way - doing DB projects or managing advertising/website content. Nothing changes. Still typing on the computer.
| 1:14 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I'm honoured to have been included in a list of AdSense Experts. (I assume that's "Ex" as in "unknown Quanity" + "Spurt" as in "Drip Under Pressure".
I'm not quite in the position of giving up the day job yet - but hope to get there. I discovered AdSense only this summer. If filled a gap when the day job gave me up!
Now I'm looking for a break in my consultancy work so that I can implement a number of plans for growing my site.
I've found that expertise comes from discussing issues with like minded web publisher-world wide. By helping people who genuinely want to learn and sharing experience and knowledge, we all benefit.
Andrew, thanks for the mention - it's nearly like old times.
| 2:02 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I quit my job in 2003, not because of Adsense, but because we had "problem teenagers," and it was better for me to be at home than working.
The hubby continued to work till 2006, then his boss started bouncing his checks, so the hubby quit.
So even though we struggled the first year with Adsense, (and ate a lot of macaroni and cheese) the second year things started looking better. We continued learning, building and diversifying, 16 hrs a day has been the norm for a long time.
The kids moved out, and this is the first year we have been able to relax a little.
I think that quitting your job for Adsense depends on your situation and your goals in life.
| 3:28 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|For example, a site about free photo downloads may not do as well as a site with no free photo downloads but reviews websites that offer royalty free photos. It's not about the traffic volume, it's about the quality of traffic. |
Bingo! That's why THE WALL STREET JOURNAL or THE NEW YORKER can charge higher CPMs than the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS or the NATIONAL ENQUIRER. What's more, Google alluded to this when, with the introduction of smart pricing, it used the example of two page: a page of photo tips (less likely to convert for advertisre) and a photo review (more likely to convert for advertisers).
Getting back to the "quitting day job for AdSense" topic, I agree with Trannack and others that AdSense works best as one source of revenue among several. Who knows: Depending on your niche, you may find, as some of us have done, that other revenue sources pay better (much better) than AdSense does. If you put all your egges in one basket, you aren't just increasing your risk: You may also be limiting your revenue opportunities.
| 3:40 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I've had it with eggs and baskets, someone please come up with something new for 2007.
| 3:51 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
How about X-girlfriends in one room.
| 3:53 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
No, that sounds like too much fun not risks ;-)
| 4:38 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Ok - how about don't put all your beer in one super-market carrier bag!
| 4:45 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Too long, but I'll have one :-)
I think the above folks said all they wanted to say, so this is not thread hijacking.
| 6:14 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Did you give up your day job for Adsense? Looking back was it a good decision? What's your view now? |
Yes, I quit my off line business that required manual labor a couple years ago to go full-time Adsense. Yes, a great decision! If you want to increase your income you need time to work on your site(s). My other half stopped bothering to go to work about 7 months ago. He helps with the sites a little but mainly quit so he could work on remodeling the house, which we paid off about a year ago thanks in part to Google. We both easily live off the income and no matter what happens in the future, I will never regret this time we have to spend together. Plus, we're increasing the value of our home so even if he does have to go back to work one day we'll still be better off in the long run.
| 6:30 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Yes, I quit web designing 3 years ago to focus on an AdSense fueled site full-time.
OK, focus on enjoying life full-time and working part-time on our site.
We're hurting now with whatever you call this latest round Google is implimenting. First time in a year and half. I did try to diversify last year, it didn't take. Now I have to gird up for war again, and launch some new sites, new ideas. I think we can survive, now that my wife is back to work full-time, but our expenses are high and I do have to take care of the kids during the week.
We could have done a lot of things differently. We may even lose it all down the road. But I wouldn't regret it: these years with the kids, having all this time to ourselves has been phenominial. And I know the next time around we'll be more stable, more secure, and grow larger. I wasn't motivated enough, really, I was too comfortable as things were.
But I have to admit, I won't rely on AdSense or Google traffic for future projects.
| 6:31 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Did you give up your day job for Adsense? |
That would be absurd.
AdSense isn't a job, it's an online advertising medium.
I've been living off what my websites earn via various advertising mediums for several years now and total earnings, including adsense, is increasing every year.
| 7:00 pm on Mar 10, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I've thought about giving up my day job to focus on marketing, promoting, and building my website - but I wouldn't quit anything for Adsense. Like many have mentioned, it's not very smart to place all of your beer in one supermarket bag. (Okay I tried, but that doesn't flow very well!) Diversity is the key.
Besides that, why give up $60K+/year when I have the time (barely) to do both?
I'm not saying I would never quit my day job, but my Adsense income would have to rise exponentially and be verifiable, or "predictable", for that to happen.
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