I see a lot of people can confuse google with an employer, a friend and even a charity.
If I get no gift, if I don't get paid earlier than usual, why should I hate Google?
But I understand where the confusion can come from.
Hoobs, nobody is really confusing G with an employer, but the associations are apt.
How about considering G for what they are, a business associate. As one, G is highly secretive, always demands their own terms (in reality, they don't even give you any choice, they just do what they please), and pays little regard to the many thousands of associates with whom they do business.
While we all signed on for the same treatment, they seem to make little effort to ensure continued good relations. A serious challenger to their monopoly might change their attitude.
That's all some of us are saying. Defending G, when they've made such an obviously poor choice in not paying out before Christmas, is a tough call.
Just imagine, people like me would be praising them if they had simply issued a payment 5-7 days earlier. Is that so difficult to understand?
Merry Christmas to all!
Fully agree they could use some openness,
Fully agree we could use some personalized service
But you have to consider that we are being treated as one big bundle, how else can a company handle tens or hundreds of thousands of business partners?
So what they do is add a personal touch here and there whenever it is feasible, people can confuse that with a real one on one relationship.
And yes, would have been a nice touch if they paid early, but as far as I am concerned they're keeping their end of the deal even if they didn't.
Still no PIP.
no pip. however I appreciate google more than anything, and I see it not as a fault on their behalf but must really be a patient wait on my behalf and that I should concider this a great moment of my life no matter how delayed it is and be greatful for all I have gained through Google, and the future of my life be prosperous because of Google and other events in my life.
Thank you G.
|concider this a great moment of my life no matter how delayed it is and be greatful for all.. |
The above actually makes me feel disgusted with Google! How dare they delay our money!
<sarcasm>yes I too am grateful they decided to delay my payment.. thats so awesome of them..</sarcasm>
Hobbs, you're lack of appreciation for Google will come apparant in the future, my appreciation for google is more than anything and as with anything in life I am greatful for all that I can receieve and may google have a happy new year ahead of them, 2007 be propserous for both, and the future a very rich one indeed.
Think positive thoughts, as positive thoughts will help present you a positive future, negative thoughts will prove themselves in good time and I'm not one for looking at the negative side any longer.
Hobbs, try to Value Google, as it is not in Google's interest to value you as a small publisher (in their eyes you are one of many of the worlds people that keep adwords/adsense moving and you alone mean nothing to them as they have others who appreciate them) and if you really want respect, start by giving them the respect they deserve by giving you this equal oppertunity to earn money from your sites traffic.
Not happy hobbs? then your appreciation is low and you'll realise your future will be far less than those who want more who are greatful.
btw. since i posted my last post my ecpm went up :)
In 2003, October earnings weren't paid out until December 9th. My payment history says that November earnings were paid on Dec. 17th, but this was all before EFT. Didn't actually receive October earnings until after Christmas and November earnings came on the 7th of January.
Since that time, payment has been made between the 23rd and the 26th every month, except for December 2004 when I see payment made on December 16th. Last year was the 23rd, not really different from any other month.
You missed the whole point noodlebox, read some posts above yours and you might understand.
Good to see your language picking up on demand.
The whole lost puppy getting emotional and tingly fuzzy over Google is a little twisted.
Hobbs, maybe I've been enlightened tonight :) and now I appreciate every cent I earn, without bitching :)
Obviously you still can't read or understand, so I'll explain before you get yourself in more trouble with that language. My position was to calm down people angry with Google for the delay, till you jumped in with the goose p$mples and shivers over Google love, on which I commented to the contrary.
Google is a business we can prefer to deal with, a partner we can respect, a search engine we choose to use over others, if your position is groveling and kissing their toes that's up to you, has nothing to do with appreciating Google or being loyal to Google, for if your earnings drop and another network pays more for for teenagers traffic as an example, you will probably jump ship for better pay. We make business decisions not love relationships, but again, it's totally up to you, feel all the love you want.
[edited by: Hobbs at 9:00 pm (utc) on Dec. 25, 2006]
<sarcasm>Well surely any respectable business would have a contact phone number on their website so we can clear this up. Lets just find that then we can clear this up pronto.</sarcasm>
at last a PIP thread worth reading. Normally it is just google is great and I've got my money have you got yours-, isn't google great etc etc. Anyway:
1/Who will actually replace google with someone else because they haven't paid out early-answer absolutely no-one
2/Does it matter when you get your money if it is within their terms - if it is sent before the 31st of December - you got it early. Do you complain if you are paid early from your "day job" as well-no you don't!
3/Not happy with THEIR terms, see point 1
Hopefully next months PIP thread wil be back to good old, "I've got my money, ain't life great" etc etc.
I seem to remember many people moving to Google in the beginnig because they paid so much sooner than everyone else. Of course it probably didn't hurt that they were also paying more than all but some high paying affiliate programs. Getting the money in a timely fashion is important. 'Timely' is defined partly by expectations. In the past there has never (to my recollection) been more than 5 days between the first PIP and the money being in my account, even before EFT. Therefore, they have not lived up to the expectations which they helped create. If all things were equal, and Yahoo provided better service, it's an awful easy switch to make. Unfortunately in my sector, things aren't close to being equal. Google pays much better
|1/Who will actually replace google with someone else because they haven't paid out early-answer absolutely no-one |
Sure, Google is completely within their rights to wait until the end of their contractually obligated time to pay us. It kind of reminds of when Bank of America told me they were within their rights to charge me $240 in NSF fees because they put a hold on a large check, but sent the notice to an old address (I had correctly changed the address with them). Guess who's no longer with Bank of America. At the same time, I have been extremely happy with the service from my new bank, and it's been 6 months since I tried Yahoo. I think it's time for some more testing.
edited to make a little more sense
Look, now somebody has switched because Google didn't pay early.
[edited by: Powdork at 3:08 am (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
Actually on this topic there are a couple of points I have missed [on reflection].
a) I'm not grateful to Google nor should anyone else here should be. Without Publishers there would not be an AdSense. Indeed the converse [including Advertisers] is equally true.
I do not, nor ever would, doff my cap in homage to AdSense. Neither should anyone else here.
In any event, 40+ years of hard business experience tells me that we need one another. AdSense and us. You feel a need to feel grovelly then you need hard business experience where it's a jungle and no matter how good your are, you grow up in the "school of hard knocks".
AdSense will terminate or otherwise screw you in a heart beat if it suits. Don't be grateful. See yourself as an equal partner in an otherwise secret and most probably an unequal agreement.
Again, 40+ years of hard business experience tells me that those with the upper hand have [or ought to have] a moral obligation to behave much better. They have the power.
b) I omitted in an earlier post that my policy toward my staff at Christmas also extended toward my creditors.
The little people due to receive payments around 1st January received their cheques at least seven clear business days before Christmas [back in those days to allow for bank clearing times]. Big Corporations simply received their payment by due date.
FWIW and as Mr. Ripley said:
"Believe it or not"
My initial feelings about YPN. I did have about 30 minutes of unrelated ads, much less than the 5-14 days when i signed up originally. But now that I'm getting targetted ads, they are not rult targetted. Meaning they're the same 'related to my location, but not my topic' that didn't sell before. I only made the change on my home page.
I've been critical of Google, but really I don't think the 'not getting paid by christmas' is really all that big of a deal. Is it a bummer? Maybe, but I'm sure I'll find something to do with the money on Wednesday.
I am a bit worried about the difference between check PIP and EFT PIP, as it could be a sign of some sort of trouble within the system.
<blackHelicoptersCircling>Someone hacked the system and forced bank changes on the 15th knowing Google would rush the payments for Xmas. Google only discovered the problem after announcing PIP for checks</blackHelicoptersCircling>
[edited by: Powdork at 7:35 am (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
Still no PIP in Pakistan
I'm sorry, but I cannot understand the problem with the timing of "payment in progress".
Google's published dates for payment only seem to say that you should take action if you do not receive your EFT payment by 5th or yout cheque by 25th of the FOLLOWING month.
Now maybe there would be something to debate if we were talking about G sending out cheques (for October earnings) a little earlier than usual to ensure the cheques arrived in time to be banked by 25th, but if EFT payments for November earnings don't reach bank accounts until 29th December 06, then they are still earlir that the published "latest payment date".
Lots of businesses would pay late this time of year and blame it on the holiday - with G they are just not paying quite so early as they usually do. This seems totally fair and reasonable to me.
I agree with Pengi, I ordered one particular present for Christmas in October, they cashed the cheque two days later and then waited till 1 week before Christmas to tell me due to demand i would have to wait longer to receive it....now THAT is something worth bitching about i think!
As for the difference between EFT and Cheque times, most companies do that today as they want to reduce admin costs by eliminating paper cheques as much as possible and the current system is a subtle nudge, a bit frustrating for those in countries where you can't elect to receive via EFT though.Look at the UK..all social security/benefit payments are made via bank accounts now.
|How dare they delay our money! |
|When do I get paid? |
We'll send your check or EFT payment within approximately 30 days of the end of the month in which your account balance reaches US$100, unless a payment hold exists or unless otherwise agreed to in writing (including electronic mail).
Your monies are delayed only if they are paid later than 31th. Stop whining, if G pays earlier on x months does not mean they will do it every month. Their terms are clear, I don't see any point debating about it.
Still no PIP here in Finland.
I don't understand how people can become so upset about a few days "delay". Doesn't the Adsense website say they'll send you the loot before the end of the month? Well, it is still only the 26th.
The answer to the last 4 posts is this.
Since Adsense began, we have always received our money before christmas. It's always been the earliest paying month of every year. It appeared this would once again be the case when they released PIP's on the 20th. Since then, noone has received a check. That kind of delay between PIP and receipt of monies and the delay between check PIP and EFT PIP is unprecedented in the program.
So here are two issues.
1. It is a bit rude to lead people to believe they will have their money by Christmas, when they won't.
2. The time frames mentioned above could be indicitave of a problem within Adsense, or that they found a reason they could not send out payments as planned.
With "bit" being the operative word Powdork,
I still think Google are within their rights and owe no one apologies, as for the black helicopters theory of their being hacked, the "delay" if any, could be due to someone @ Google giving all stats another click fraud run before money is issued, humungous stats take a long time to process..
Your success with AdSense and online publishing in general hinges on your ability to diversify, and be tolerant to sudden changes in earnings and traffic.
Best circulated advice down here is to make sure you always have at least 6 months worth of spending on reserve and untouched, this way a one month or two delay won't make you nervous.
When is the party starting?
That is enough, shut it down and we'll start it up again on Tuesday.
You guys are to much!
Did you ever see the pictures of the inside of Googleland?
[edited by: TheTraveler at 4:44 pm (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
Nothing here yet as of 11 AM on the 26th.
Still no PIP here in New York this afternoon; but must agree with many of the most recent posts in that their terms on payment are very clear in that it doesn't say anything about paying early due to Holidays... after all we don't all celebrate Christmas; also it does say, "by the end of the month". I'll be concerned if the payment is still not processing after December 31st :)
... and yes, our account has earned more than $100 in November :)
I think more people here and in general are dependent on Adsense than would like to admit.I know many students and single moms who wait for and depend on those Adsense checks every month to pay the bills and put food on the table.
i need it, but don't want it.
if they don't pay until after the new year, then it better appear on my 2007 1099 for taxes :)
Uncle sam is going to tear me a new one as it is :)
no PIP Midwest, US...
|our account has earned more than $100 in November |
Congratulations glowingdesigns, you made me smile, that figure is a mark I go through fast, but your smile after saying it means a lot, keep going, set higher milestones in your crosshair, and good luck :)
And yes Shawna, PIP means different things to different people, nice reminder.
[edited by: Hobbs at 8:17 pm (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
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