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Adsense and double accounts
ASchmitt

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 4:07 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

follow up of topic [webmasterworld.com...]

Now, Adsense TOS clearly states not to use two accounts for one person.
Ok so far so good... but:

Let's assume they check duplicate accounts based on:

- the website the accounts are used on
- the profile of the owner (payment settings, name, mail, etc.)
- the ip witch the user logs in to his account
- the location from where the user logs in

What about following situation (imaginary situation):

I still live at home. I have a bluewidgets.com site on witch I use Adsense. I have an Adsense account and my account looks something like this:

name: John Doe
email: john.doe@gmail.com
bank settings: FORTIS-3332-556-5856
ip: 264.114.0.1
website: www.bluewidgets.com
location: Brussels

I also have a brother, who also lives at home (yes the same home) and by accident he also has a widgetsite called whitewidgets.com. He also has an Adsense account with following specs:

name: Philip Doe
email: philip.doe@gmail.com
bank settings: FORTIS-3332-556-5855
ip: 264.114.0.1
website: www.whitewidgets.com
location: Brussels

Please remark that our ip's are the same because we are on a shared internet connection.

I can imagine that this is stuff that could provide the Adsense team with a good bases to ban both of us for having duplicate accounts. They do look very alike, but how the hack will we be able to prove that we are actually two different persons?

Maybe the general question is: can Google be absolutely sure when they point out duplicate accounts in the meaning two accounts being property of one person?

Maybe you can think now: this example is stupid, Google will send mails or something like that to verify if both accounts are from the same person or not...

Ok, let's take it a step further...

Let's assume my brother and I both work on both widgetsites? We have an agreement that he places his adsense-pub-id on the pages he creates and vica versa. So we both log in with the same ip on to our Adsense account, both accounts are used on the same websites, our profiles look very alike... what will Google think?

Not enough?

My brother leaves for a long summer trip (3 weeks). He goes to the jungle in Africa, without laptop or internet connection. He asks me to check his Adsense account. Ok, I will check his account with his logins, so far so good, but immediately afterwards I check my own account with my login... what will Google think?

And all of a sudden... my brother creates another widgetsite... yellowwidgets.com and starts using his Adsense account on that website too... Ofcourse, I can't stand my borther making more money, so I also start a new widgetsite... brownwidgets.com, ofcourse using my Adsense account... what will Google think?

This may seem a little bit far-fetched, but look at it as a brain-exercise... could be very interesting for new Adsense users...

[edited by: ASchmitt at 4:07 pm (utc) on Nov. 28, 2006]

 

iwannano1

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 4:12 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Only Google Adsense team can provide you answer. However I know one person. He has not 2 accounts with Google. He is premium web publisher.

So google does provide permission if you are big fish and your situation is unique.

Hope this helps.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 5:02 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

It probably takes a lot less time, effort (and thus, expense) on Google's part to (mostly) not allow multiple accounts than it would take to verify that the multiple accounts are for a legitimate reason, or are for two different people at the same address, or aren't related to some prior banning situation, or any of the other thousand ways that people are trying to juke the system. There's a cost associated with trying to administer all this, and possibly the revenue potential doesn't measure up to the administration expense.

trannack

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 5:11 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You can open a business account and a personal account. I beleive that if one gets banned the other would too. So you need to be sure of your partners activities on the site.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 5:12 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You have to ask AdSense for permission. That's pretty much where it starts and ends. There's no what if this or what if that- AdSense decides that.

trannack

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 5:47 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep - wouldn't do anything without their express knowledge and affirmation that it is OK.

TheTraveler

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 6:11 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

brain-exercise... could be very interesting for new Adsense users...

You don't say.

BigDave

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 7:12 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

You are forgetting something, Google doesn't have to prove anything. If it looks too suspicious, same IP, same physical address, they can just refuse the second account, or ban them both, or let them happen.

The general advice is to contact Google first. If you tell them up front, you are a lot more likely to get permission than if they have to find out on their own.

barns101

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 7:48 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

...how the hack will we be able to prove that we are actually two different persons?

I work for an online casino and we have a similar problem with duplicate accounts, which are used to abuse the bonus scheme.

In a situation such as the example given here, we would suspend both accounts and ask for copies if identification (e.g. passport or driving license) from both account holders if we believe one person to have more than one account.

I have no idea whether Google has similar practices.

MThiessen

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 8:00 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

My mother has an adsense account, but the sites are in my name at network solutions and the server is mine.

She wrote it, updates it and runs adsense.

We have never had any issues with the two accounts thing, of course they are different mailing addresses, but I have used her computer to check my adsense, and vice-versa.

Hugene

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 8:18 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The no-two-accounts is a big problem. There are currently limitations in AdSense that can not be overcome without having 2 accounts: that is the ad filters. Until you can have setting attached to particular domains/pages, this will be a problem. I can not believe Google hasn't fixed this: as there are many different methods for setting up ad-channels, there should be the equivalent methods for setting ad filters.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 8:40 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The no-two-accounts is a big problem.

That does not exist. There is no "no-two-accounts" problem.

It's "no-two-accounts without first explaining your circumstance and obtaining permission."

Pengi

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 9:23 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

This "hypothetical" situation is not too different from some couples who have separate Google accounts for both husband and wife - some people have reported doing just that - with Google's blessing.

The important points are, I believe:

1 Ask Google first and explain your reasons. If it's too late to ask first, inform them before they find out.

2 Do not use the separate accounts to mislead, cheat or defraud.

3 Do not use Google vouchers on both accounts without checking with Google first that this is acceptable.

4 If one account should ever be banned - expect that the other account will be banned as well.

ASchmitt

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 10:39 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

ok, but when you read this topic and this one [webmasterworld.com] I might encounter some problems with that...

Let's say I now write an email to G and explain to them that my girlfriend wants an account and that she lives in my house (so same ip, address, etc.)

I already asked them and explained my situation as stated in the previeous topic [webmasterworld.com]...

Won't they get suspicious?

Winters

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3170637 posted 8:30 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a situation that is kind of similar to ASchmitt's and was wondering if he could just close down the first account, and have both guys open their own accounts. Use the partners information for the shared account and use his own for the second personal account.

Are there any problems with doing it like this?

BigDave

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Msg#: 3170637 posted 8:50 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

ASchmitt,

Whose name is the current account in? Given your issues, I'm assuming that it is in your name. That is your account.

Have your partner get their own account. Set up the sites to serve up your publisher ID 50% of the time, and serve up your partner's ID the rest of the time.

Another option is to use URL channels to differentiate where the money is coming in, and only share the money from the joint sites.

The problem is not that Google is being difficult. This aspect of the TOS was there when you signed up. The problem is that *you* have created an unnecessarily complex situation by sharing your one and only account with someone else.

What you need to do is clarify the situation whith your partner, since Google is not going to give you another account.

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