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Since July Payment, Google won't let me have my money!
greedy player




msg:3158134
 3:29 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey guys it's GP.. you know me,

Short version:
- Payment went on hold start of august.
- emailed google numerous times. recieved a reply oct 20th 'invalid clicks have been generated and we will review if you continue to get invalid clicks we will suspend your account'. Sent analytics logs to them for help in the investigation.
- Earnings still in my account for August, September and October adding up to nearly 20,000$.
- No reply as of yet.

Server Stats:
500k+ page views day
up to 16k unique ip's per day.

What I've done about it:
I've contacted adsense advisor (I'm ignored), e-mailed adsense-uk, adsense-adclicks, adsense-support... (Ignored) and they just don't seem to care that my business is going down because I'm losing like almost 20k USD in the last months due to 'this invalid clicks' that is being under review forever...

Since July this has just really upset me, made life hard for me, I'm seeing "bankrupt" in my eyes in the next months.

I've tried other sources of income but they just dont work, "or looked great then didnt work out".

Only one thing that keeping me hopefuly this last weeks is I was contacted by a rank 6k alexa site offering to pay money for advertising, we trialed 24 hours at 200$ and now I'm waiting for them to get back to me on a monthly deal if everything worked out the way they hoped.

Now I'm struggling here, upset because I've got too much to live for, and so much to lose if google don't snap up I'm done for.

GP, Goes to cry.

Looks like im going to have to take google to court over the whole ordeal if nothing is done about it.

 

trinorthlighting




msg:3158143
 3:42 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

If google can prove invalid clicks, they will never pay you. Sounds like you need an attorney, not a bunch of opinions from other webmasters.

greedy player




msg:3158155
 4:03 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have nobody to turn to about this, I need you guys to help me in the right direction... this is Adsense forum?

Yippee




msg:3158165
 4:53 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well GP, considering you have a large site with massive ad clicks, validating your site is going to fall in one of two categories: good or bad, no middle ground. I just dont see a gray area with the numbers you bring in. If you are "truly" legit, there should be no reason why you shouldn't get your money. If for whatever reason you are not, and I'm not saying you are, cut your losses quick and I suggest you replicate the same "magical" formula you used on something similar. Otherwise, get yourself a lawyer. If I was you and things where 100% legit, I would have attorneys lined up and ready to go.

You seem to have an outreach, perhaps you can create enough of a stink, if you are who you say you are. Hopefully it works out for you man.

[edited by: Yippee at 4:54 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2006]

hunderdown




msg:3158184
 5:41 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO the right direction is not legal. Under the terms of your contract with Google, they don't have to prove anything.

Why the review has gone on so long I don't understand, but I don't find it encouraging.

If I were you, I'd reduce the presence of AdSense on my site, if not remove it altogether, and pursue other options, even if not as lucrative.

Good luck!

gamiziuk




msg:3158188
 5:45 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

GP, are you in the US? Go visit the "Y!"

FortySomething




msg:3158216
 6:57 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why is it necessary to start several threads on this topic?

Bottom line is it's only Google that can help you - we have given you all the advice we can. It's simply between you and them.

Let us know how you get on.

gregbo




msg:3158230
 7:22 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry GP, but this is the dark side of AdSense. Even if you are innocent, you can still be banned, and your accounts frozen. It's because there is no foolproof solution to determine who clicked what.

This thread will probably be locked eventually, but I want to remind anyone who is concerned about this to consider reducing their exposure to a lost AdSense account. Diversify, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Fuzzyfish1000




msg:3158291
 8:52 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

GP - can you sticky me your website address?

Minor rant - it's one thing I hope the UK never follows the US in, although sometimes it looks like it's already started. When something goes bad, everyone starts yelling lawyers, which puts everyone on the defensive, and cuts all ties for long term successful business relationships. The old fashioned way was to sort things out by talking about them. This isn't directed at you GP, as I can understand your frustration at not being able to contact anyone about it. But it just annoys me that so many Americans (sorry to generalise) choose to solve problems with lawyers.

Good luck with sorting out this mess.

walkman




msg:3158301
 9:03 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

sorry, but as someone suggested, only google can help you. Given that you're a substantial earner, I'd say that unless there is clear fraud, they would not get rid of a good partner.

And google has the last word on what constitutes fraud.

TheDonster




msg:3158330
 9:25 am on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Even if you wanted to go the legal route, Google has all the cards stacked in their favor with the terms of service agreement you signed and agreed to when you put ads on your site. That agreement is a legally binding contract that says they can pull service whenever they want without penalty. Even if you were somehow able to get the money earned while Google ran on your site, it's not running now nor will it until Google decides it will. IMHO, your only recourse is to be polite, persistant and helpful because it's up to Google now.

greedy player




msg:3158449
 12:25 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

if this happens to you guys you wouldn't complain? c'mon all i did was ever paste the code on my site. if running a large site gets you nowhere, what the hell is adsense for. "lucky people who don't get click frauded"?

mrSEman




msg:3158453
 12:49 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

GP,
If AS is still running on your site, since Aug... I guess that could interpreted to be a good sign. However, for you to have left the code on your pages and pilled up a $20k I.O.U., well that makes you a great optimist. At some point, you'll have to assume the worst case scenario and move on. Put AS on hold, and earn something somewhere else.

rj87uk




msg:3158455
 12:53 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

if this happens to you guys you wouldn't complain? c'mon all i did was ever paste the code on my site. if running a large site gets you nowhere, what the hell is adsense for. "lucky people who don't get click frauded"?

Go phone Google, Email them 5 times today, send them a fax go visit them.

You have created several threads on this issue - we gave you advice on how to make money OTHER ways, affiliates, etc etc.

If I was you I would not have AS code on my website is would have CJ affiliates, banners and some other way of making money.

For having such a large site that is loosing a lot of money you spend a lot of your time here posting about the wrongs of google when you should be trying to get on with things.

OptiRex




msg:3158459
 1:04 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Earnings still in my account for August, September and October adding up to nearly 20,000$.

Are you categorically stating that AdSense earnings have continued to accrue during October at the same rate as before or is it the balance from, say August/September which is still showing?

Are you still displaying AdSense and you are seeing daily earnings or are you displaying AdSense and seeing no earnings whatsoever?

Gian04




msg:3158464
 1:10 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here we go again.

GP, we have read your story a lot of times. ENOUGH.

Hobbs




msg:3158474
 1:21 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)


I've contacted adsense advisor (I'm ignored)...
Looks like im going to have to take google to court over the whole ordeal

GP,
You still do not get it, threatening in public to take Google to court will diminish any chance you had left if any.

Now get a gip, stop complaining, move on like a the big boy you are, listen to some of the advice above, or stop asking for advice over and over.

greedy player




msg:3158505
 1:55 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Guys , you don't realise the stress im going through, I can't find any way to contact them, it's a circle of hell.. i email them they dont email me, they asked me to Help them and it's not helping me by helping them it's only being ignored in /dev/null of one of their special linux-googleOS boxes.

Look I'm frustrated you wouldn't understand until this occours to you but I'm a big player in google adsense and to just be kicked out would of told me so.. but this is 'teasing me', not only do i have funds google failed to pay me for, I'm sitting on a fence that wont pay up.

I've tried everything else, valueclick (take 200$ away for no reason even though its cpm ads), clicks0r (poor and non-efficient), big Y (wont accept me as im a UK account holder only), bidvertiser (is a scam they disable your account within days of payments), chitika (not worth it they pay so cheap per click cpm ads would be nice i guess), and blah blah...

My options are few.

PM me if you want to advertise at my site instead of going through 'cut profit advertising partnerships like google with a big company name, automated systems with no real people behind it, that take your money away from you when you really don't expect it being a publisher with them for god damn long time, and earnings probably over 100k with them - suddenly your ruined'.

trannack




msg:3158522
 2:05 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just don't know what you want from us. You have posted this smae question numerous times. We have all given you the best advice that we have. The issue you have is with Google. There is nothing more we can add that hasn't been said in every single thread you've started. You seem to disregard any advice that is given, and for some bizarre reason continue to display adsense adverts on your site - even though your account is on hold (just don't get this one at all), one minute you rave about how fantastic another money-earning system is - making more money than adsense, the next you say it isn't. Your time posting on this subject has now reached its conclusion. None of us have anything more to offer.....Move on. If you get your money from adsense brilliant, if not, then there is no use crying over spilt milk. Start something else, or find other ways to monetise what you have. So you may not be making the "fortune" you were making before. Life's a bitch sometimes, but you just have to get on with it.

Hobbs




msg:3158523
 2:06 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

No GP,
No one here can possibly understand the stress you are under right now, but many in their clear mind are trying to tell you move on, maybe this would have been your thought too if you were under less pressure, listen to them, make lemonade out of the lemon you have been dealt, and enough with the rants and wining.
Worst case you will be making less money somewhere else, you still have your traffic and site, make it so.

OptiRex




msg:3158524
 2:07 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

GP, please answer this, it is very important for your lawyer and any possible claim:

Earnings still in my account for August, September and October adding up to nearly 20,000$.

Are you categorically stating that AdSense earnings have continued to accrue during October at the same rate as before or is it the balance from, say August/September which is still showing?

Are you still displaying AdSense and you are seeing daily earnings or are you displaying AdSense and seeing no earnings whatsoever?


greedy player




msg:3158527
 2:12 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Optirex they did not tell me to remove my ads ill forward the email they sent me then you will understand.

kostis




msg:3158531
 2:16 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

According to my opinion, there should be a clear connection between Alexa traffic ranking and click through. -
If one's click through rate highly exceeds the average, than that one is a suspect.

greedy player




msg:3158535
 2:19 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Regarding Alexa rankings...

Alexa ranks are based on toolbars not some 'real math calculation you can rely upon', however I'm in the top 100k sites on the web in Alexa... infact I'm fairly confident and have been in the top 10-50k websites in my time.. only summer knocked me back up to about 70k... and I'm getting daily ranks of 10k.. or so.

However I don't think these figures mean a thing to me.

pmidds




msg:3158551
 2:32 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi GP have you tried calling the Google UK office?

I was once wrongly banned from google and got reinstated eventually by repeatedly emailing.

I was at the stage though of going to give them a call and if that failed going in person.

With the money you're talking about i'd definitely think about going down this route.

I van't remember where their office is (apart from in London) but if you can't find the details sticky me and i'll dig up my records.

rocker




msg:3158552
 2:32 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've tried everything else, valueclick (take 200$ away for no reason even though its cpm ads), clicks0r (poor and non-efficient), big Y (wont accept me as im a UK account holder only), bidvertiser (is a scam they disable your account within days of payments), chitika (not worth it they pay so cheap per click cpm ads would be nice i guess), and blah blah...

GP, try thinking outside the box. With your traffic you should be able to capitalize on ecommerce. Do you have any ideas on catchy slogans about your site?

With 16,000 uniques a day all you would need is for 15 of them to buy a t-shirt from cafepress to net you @ $200 per day.

greedy player




msg:3158555
 2:35 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rocker, thanks for giving me some advise there, I understand what your saying I was in bed all night thinking if 16,000 of them paid me 1$ each to access their mail for a month.. thats 16,000$ month... but then I thoguht they'd likely get upset, meh it might be required soon.

Regards.
GP.

greedy player




msg:3158565
 2:42 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I called google in the UK.. i was put onto an extremely rude operator..

I talked to her, she was nice at first, told me their are no adwords or adsense numbers to call, then told me that if i give out my account number to them they'll call me back... so i signed into google adsense to write my account number down and then she repeatingly saying 'Sorry your breaking up, I can't hear you, I can't hear you, Hello, I can't hear you' then put the phone down, I got full signal on my mobile phone.

This is absolutely a scam they have going on, when you tell them your account number they tell you they can't hear you, so then they rudely put the phone down instead of trying to 'listen to you'.

I'm very sad now.

-- that's it im getting a girl I know to call them up and tell them my account number in the next hour... google your now going to fix the problem with me once and for all.

Yippee




msg:3158580
 2:50 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL... dude

greedy player




msg:3158585
 2:55 pm on Nov 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Time to put the bins out, Sticky me if you have any real suggestions and not the 'pack adsense in and run away from it all and get in debt + bankrupt' idea.

I have a copy of their email also if you'd like to read it and actualy tell me why they bothered even doing what they did.

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