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AdWords Quality Score Coming to Content Network
About time, too
netmeg

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 8:24 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Got email today from the Inside Adwords Blog that over the next few days they were going to be incorporating landing page quality scores and tweaking their algorithms throughout the Content Network (similar to what they did for Search this summer)

Me, I'm all for it from both sides (AdWords and AdSense)

 

ken_b

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 8:57 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well this should be an interesting ride.

I follwed the comments/threads in the Adwords forum a bit when landing page Quality Scores were introduced for search ads. Pretty interesting at the time.

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 9:16 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh boy... I wonder how this is going to play out for us. Our advert quality has been getting worse and worse across most of our properties and we are a prem account, finally maybe this will stop the large scale decay on the content network.

I can see the MFA/Abitrage crowd lining up here by the thousands and crying how the ad quality they provide is great and Google is out for money!

Lets list the complaints shall we?

- My ads are great! You do not know my market Google!
- Google is greedy, they have totally destroyed my business
- I am laying people off because of greedy Google!
- Google is the new Microsoft!

Lol

netmeg

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 9:27 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Apart from the good I think it will do for publishers, I might even start using the Content Network again for some of my AdWords clients, if it looks like it's really going to be cleaned up.

Of course, the last go-round didn't seem terribly effective on all aspects of the Search Network, so we'll see.

swa66

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 9:51 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hope they clean up the content network more thoroughly than they did the search network. I just typed my favorite keyword on the search network and got a "dead popes" type of ad from some ebay imposter/affiliate.

frakilk

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 9:54 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is good news indeed. Nice to see the Google may be getting their priorities in check. Will be watching this change closely.

moTi

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 10:00 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

if we could dump our filter list and let the algo clean up the inventory? actually too good to be true..
will be interesting to see which kind of crap does yet manage to slip through and which gets thrown out. shopping sites? price comparison? mfas? freebies?

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 10:03 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

when will they put Adsense QS work? i am not advertising on content network only because $hit sites display my ads.
even search network is not great solution.

moTi

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 10:14 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

i am not advertising on content network only because $hit sites display my ads.

as i understand it, this won't change.
the contrary: the change is, that sites don't display $hit ads anymore.
$hit sites get smartpriced as always.

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 11:49 pm on Nov 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Apparently Google is unwrapping their holiday present to themselves early this year...

-Shorebreak

Genuine1

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 12:29 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

About time.

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 12:49 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Perhaps this will bring EPC back up a little.

Genuine1

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 12:56 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well mines up by a third over last 6 weeks anyway. And up year on year for three years.

koan

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 1:06 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here's my prediction: Those who are affected positively will congratulate themselves on being so clever and may even consider careers as online marketing consultants, while those who are affected negatively will blame Google for being "evil", "greedy" and will interpret any daily minor dip in google's stock as confirmation the business is about to implode and implore others to short them. Some, mostly those who haven't lost their shirts last time it was suggested to do so, might even try, and they will lose their shirts.

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 1:23 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Got email today from the Inside Adwords Blog that over the next few days they were going to be incorporating landing page quality scores and tweaking their algorithms throughout the Content Network (similar to what they did for Search this summer)

Having trouble understanding exactly what this means. Does it mean that higher quality/paying ads will run on higher quality Adsense sites? Or does it mean something else? Can someone please give me a brief rundown. Thanks.

shorebreak

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 1:32 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

It means the same as the July and Sept changes to AdWords = Google kicks out low-value ads and directs more content inventory to higher CPC/CTR ads.

stuartmcdonald

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 1:36 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

The post on adwords says they only expect to see a very small number of advertisers affected -- so perhaps the changes on the publisher side of things will be low...

pdivi

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 3:15 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google kicks out low-value ads and directs more content inventory to higher CPC/CTR ads.

Exactly. It's just that simple, and makes perfect sense as a business move. Plus, they get to package it up as a 'quality' score and their fans will presume that they are getting rid of MFAs. Ha, ha.

dlcmh

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 3:40 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't know how this will pan out.

As a brief experiment, I recently managed to place Google ads on Search for $0.03 to $0.05, and my landing pages were nothing more than a blog of 10 articles anybody could have obtained from free article directories.

I don't think we'll see the demise of junk ads ... oh they'll be targetted alright, but they'll still pay you $0.03 clicks while your visitors get taken to Adsense / Overture / YPN arbitrage pages.

JeremyL

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 4:05 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think this will really affect MFA sites. This is an adwords change, not an Adsense change.

Smart pricing is what Adsense is using to battle MFA sites which is something completely different.

At least this is the way I read it.

drall

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 4:40 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

MFA = made for adsense, several different ways to look at this.

The most common use of a MFA that we run across is the following example.

Subject creates a site, this site is about widgets that pay 3.00 a click at average epc on adsense/ypn, mostly trash/scraped/stolen content, sole purpose to the site is to create a click on this adsense/ypn ad at the exit point.

Subject then purchases clicks on content network that will be relativly related to some degree to the target site he is sending the user to, this then generates revenue by paying say 0.03 cents per click and turns said user into a 3.00 dollar click.

This will effect the MFA directly as they will be reviewing landing pages of the content network ads. Once reviewed the target ad will be somewhat disabled via pricing increase making the model useless for revenue generation.

Other forms of sleaze that will be directly effected will be cpa / affiliate actions. It wont be perfect, yes many will still get through but at least upper management is taking action which is long overdue.

JeremyL

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 5:17 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

drall,

from what I am reading, this change has zero to do with the publisher website. Google is judging the advertisers website. This is the same thing they already do with Adwords search ads, they are just expanding it to content adwords ads (not adsense). It only affects the advertisers and not the publishers. Therefore MFA sites will not be affected.

If anything, this will increase the amount of money MFA sites make when the minimum bids are increased for advertisers.

[edited by: JeremyL at 5:19 am (utc) on Nov. 7, 2006]

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 5:36 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

If anything, this will increase the amount of money MFA sites make when the minimum bids are increased for advertisers.

Often MFA sites are both publishers AND advertisers. So, if, as advertisers, Google judges the quality of their landing page to be low, then their CPC rises, often dramatically, which either greatly decreases their profit margin, or prices them out entirely. If they can't bring in the traffic, then it affects them as publishers.

That's the idea, anyway.

mzanzig

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 6:41 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

JeremyL:

from what I am reading, this change has zero to do with the publisher website. Google is judging the advertisers website.

It affects the publishers website if the MFA is trying to purchase traffic off the content network. The algo will (hopefully!) see that the landing page is crap and will put a higher price tag to that keyword. Consequently, the business case for the MFA site is getting more shaky, especially if you consider the potential effects of SmartPricing on their landing page. I bet the air is getting very thin for MFAs. In other words: I hope that we'll see fewer MFAs around.

And I can finally (!) dump my filter.

joeking

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 6:56 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

MFAs will just get smarter.

Bewenched

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 7:06 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

They need to do something about the MFA sites. One of the reasons we put a complete halt to google content advertising for our site is that I was seeing our ads running on MFA sites with domain names like 123654789.mydirtysocks.? (just made that up) ... that type of perception to even remotely potential customers is bad and intollerable.

Not to mention the google alerts I get with my stolen content on them running google ads.

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 7:20 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Theoretically QS is already present on the SEARCH side of the adWords program. This should theoretically price MFA's out of business. But most MFA's have adpated by changing URL, adding some content, changing servers etc.

QS in Content should mean that advertisers will find it more expensive to advertise on the CONTENT side also if their landing pages are 'low quality'. This will definitely improve Google bottom line and not necessarily lead to higher payouts to publishers.

Publisher site quality is not being judged or measured (IMHO). There does not seem to be a reason to rejoice for adSense publishers. In fact they might be losers, if Google ad inventory falls and 'low quality' advertisers are unable to advertise even on the content side of the program. This ' QS ' thing is not perfect and does seem to hurt many genuine advertisers also who might not have beautiful or 'unique' content but may be interested only in selling ' A Product'. Google through the mechanism of QS only believes in providing a 'unique satisfying user experience' and commercial sales be damned.

There are going to be interesting implications. Not all positive for adSense publishers , I am afraid.. or for adWords advertisers..

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 10:21 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

The blog posting states:

Will my landing page quality affect my ad's position?
Not for Google search. While one's landing page quality is directly correlated with the minimum bid required for one's ads to run, it does not affect your ads position (or 'rank', as it is often referred to) at all.

But the AdWords Help Center [adwords.google.com] clearly defines Quality Score as

Quality Score = (keyword's CTR, ad text relevance, keyword relevance, landing page relevance)

and states [adwords.google.com]:

Your ad rank defines your position on a page after the ad auction. For search, this placement is defined by your keyword's Quality Score and maximum CPC bid.


Which is it? Does the landing page quality affect rank or not? Or is there a subtle difference between landing page relevance and landing page quality?

swa66

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 10:42 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

There does not seem to be a reason to rejoice for adSense publishers. In fact they might be losers, if Google ad inventory falls and 'low quality' advertisers are unable to advertise even on the content side of the program. This ' QS ' thing is not perfect and does seem to hurt many genuine advertisers also who might not have beautiful or 'unique' content but may be interested only in selling ' A Product'. Google through the mechanism of QS only believes in providing a 'unique satisfying user experience' and commercial sales be damned.

As a publisher I care a lot about my visitors seeing crappy ads on my site, and/or getting directed to crappy sites.

So any change Google makes that has even the slightest chance of weeding out crap advertisers is a good move.

If this would mean there are to few advertisers left: I'll happily show alternate ads to my visitors. In fact I've been complaining for a long time to let us please set a minimum bid before even letting ads show. I don't want to show ads that yield like a cent a click.

To me the 'satisfying user experience' is the core of the case. I don't care what advertisers try to sell as long as it's honest stuff. And I do not count e.g. known spyware bundles, free stuff that is not free, "dead popes" on ebay, as honest.

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Msg#: 3147834 posted 11:36 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

".....So any change Google makes that has even the slightest chance of weeding out crap advertisers is a good move......"

Well said Swa66.

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