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Adsense 403 - but why?
Adsense claims site not in compliance.
Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 7:26 pm on Oct 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

If anyone has had a similar experience, your advice would be much appreciated. I recently launched a new site on an old domain that had been running adsense, but was blocked likely becuae I hastily took the old site down and left the ads up (no content) or there may have been a stop word issue. Very hard to say. Anyway, the old site ran Google ads for over a year without issue until I disabled it. I put a new, and very costly site, on the domain yesterday and thought it would be a simply matter of emailing them and asking them to remove the block.

They're refusing on the grounds that this site was never approved for Adsense. It was. I'm hoping this is the whim of somone that dashed off a form response without checking the issue beause the information cited is not correct. Still, not being able to run Adsens (the site is in 13 languages and Adsense is the only game in town for all intents and purposes), this would be a terrible blow to the business model.

Anyway, to make a long stroy short, two questions:

1) Is there an appeal process for this sort of thing when the juniors that answer the emails get it wrong? as I do feel the site is in compliance, or if it's not, other sites have no problems serving ads in the same manner.

2) What are the PPC alternatives to Adsens out there (save YPN of course)? Are any in foreign languages?

Many thanks,

Rollo

 

Lagamorph

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 12:55 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think you answered your own question where you say you ran ads without content knowing that is a violation.

Lagamorph

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 12:57 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

By the way, how much money did you make in the more than a year you did this?

[edited by: Lagamorph at 12:58 am (utc) on Oct. 5, 2006]

fischermx

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 1:21 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think it is more complex than that.

It was responded the site was not allowed to run ads, but he says it was running ads. So someone overlooked something.
But, also, when it was disabled? I mean, you put a new website and got the site blocked exacty on the new site?
Why it wasn't disabled before? A good question.

hunderdown

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 1:24 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

i'm confused. What do you mean by the site being blocked? In one place, you say that the site ran ads until you disabled it. Did you disable it when Google told you they were "blocking" it? Or on your own initiative?

Was this one of those cases where they stopped serving ads to one site but the rest of your sites were in good standing?

ann

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 4:09 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If HD has it right then Google was supposed to be notified that you were ready to put ads on it and ask to have it inspected (and approved)

Good luck,

Ann

joeking

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 6:04 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

"but was blocked likely becuae I hastily took the old site down and left the ads up (no content) or there may have been a stop word issue."

You went to the trouble of removing an old site and having a new one built at great cost, but left just adsense? You must have known that was against the TOS - and hence the ban. Just because you suddenly decide to do things correctly after attempting to rob advertisers does not mean Google will instantly play ball.

plasma

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 11:22 am on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

after attempting to rob advertisers

Yes, it was against the TOS, but why do you say, that was robbery?

joeking

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 12:09 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Because advertisers PAY money to be on the content network that's why.

Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:10 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I got a new response from Google, they said they has sent a previous email, but I never got it. I found out it was blocked becuase there was some borderline lacivious content not becuase I took the site down (they happened at the same time), but the laciviousness/mature references were an extremely borderline case IMO, this was really pushing the limits of subjectiveity.

I gather now that the first response was from someone who didn't bother to check and dashed off a quick form email. The second email I received was from someone that actually researched it and sent me the original email raising Googles concerns about some content that I had missed months back. The ban was the result of my lack of response, appearantly.

At the moment the ads are still being blocked and I'm awaiting a response as to whether they will re-allow Adsense. I am running it on other sites without issue. Though I'm using the same domain, its a totally different site. There is nothing as far as I can see that remotely violates their polices so we'll see if they allow it. The only reason not I think would be out of a "and let that be a lesson to you" variety attitude but becuase this was in no way a premeditated violation, I'm hoping they'll give me a break.

On the previous site it made about $15 to $30 USD per day from about 1,000 visitors per day on average. This site is going to be infinitesimally larger. Whether it is also infinitesimally more proftable will depend largely on Google as it's in 13 languages and they are the only game in town for most of them.

Wish me luck...

[edited by: Rollo at 8:20 pm (utc) on Oct. 5, 2006]

Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:12 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

joeking - please, nobody was trying to rob advertisers. There were no clicks.

[edited by: jatar_k at 8:23 pm (utc) on Oct. 5, 2006]
[edit reason] manners [/edit]

Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:28 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, that was fast... I just got an email from Google saying it would be re-included. Thank you all very much

[edited by: jatar_k at 8:37 pm (utc) on Oct. 5, 2006]

ann

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:37 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

You mean to say that in a years time you recieved 0 traffic and 0 clicks? scratching head----was it live?

Anyway I am glad it worked out for you with the redo. Good luck

Ann

Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:55 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

No, I mean to say that the site was fully functional and receiving traffic and making adsense revenue since 2004, then I decided to change the theme and took it down, but left the domain up about 12 html pages with a bit of content so the domain would remain viable in the search engines and not have to re-escpape the sandbox.

I left the Google ads up on a couple pages that had little to no content that were previously gateways to the php section. This was an oversite, beucase I have a lot of sites and didn't pay much attention to it. It was a coincidence that it was this time that Google blocked the ads or maybe someone wanted to see why all the ad revenue had dropped off. I can only speculate.

It was about the extact same time that I noticed the 403s. I didn't think anything of it at the time as Adsense hadn't been an important part of my business up to then.

I did not leave the couple Google ads up to rob advertisers as joeking so unkindly accused me of. The ads still matched the content of the overall site so if there were a few clicks during these few days, they were on-topic and hardly watsted. I mean, noone put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to click or tricked them in any way. The ads were the old fashioned sort with the neon blue borders. Secondly, it was only a couple days before the 403s arrived. I don't know about him, but it would not occur to me to commit an act of theft over a few lousy dollars.

I then proceeded to build the new site and didn't look at the old domain for months, I was expecting to spend a month or two developing the new site but it ended up taking 6. I launched it a couple days ago and at that time I realized that Google must be blocking it becuase the ads were displaying fine on our test site...

I hope this fills out the circumstances a bit.

[edited by: Rollo at 9:01 pm (utc) on Oct. 5, 2006]

joeking

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 6:11 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rollo if I misunderstood your first post I apologise, but read it again yourself and you may see where the misunderstanding arose. You later added there was no traffic and no clicks. Why not include that in your initial post so that we could see that there was no problem?

As for holding a gun to people's head to make them click on your pages with no content, just because you didn't doesn't make clicks on pages that breach the TOS any more valid.

The TOS are there for a reason - to protect advertisers and to make them feel more comfortable spending their advertising dollars.

Rollo

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 5:35 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

No problem, but those were very strong words that I think shpould be reserved for people that do things like click their own ads.

"Why not include that in your initial post so that we could see that there was no problem?" - well, really becuase there wasn't a problem and it wouldn't have occured to me that someone would regard this as some form of click fraud.

I don't see why those clicks wouldn't be valid if it's a site about widgets and the ads that display are about widgits... does it matter to advertisers if a specific page is disfunctional? The ads were still on target, they didn't suddendly change to say, information about bird flu in Bimini.

jomaxx

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 7:44 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google doesn't normally require approval in advance for each domain, and they don't block domains for no reason. I don't know why you suggest there may have been a stop word issue, but that does sound like a plausible explanation.

joeking

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:10 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rollo, your story changes so much it is hard to argue with you.

Initially you said "left the ads up (no content)". So to me that reads like there were pages that had nothing but ads on them.

Then you say "I don't see why those clicks wouldn't be valid if it's a site about widgets and the ads that display are about widgits."

The clicks would be invalid if there was no content. That's why. You didn't have pages with content in your original post.

In fact the more I read your posts the more bizaare this story is. If I start a new website, Google doesn't approve it - it assumes TOS are being met. And what ads do Google actually display on pages with no content anyway?

Lagamorph

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3108664 posted 8:19 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rollo, your story changes so much it is hard to argue with you.
Yeah, I got that too ;) I never heard about having domains approved one by one either.
longen

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 10:13 pm on Oct 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I never heard about having domains approved one by one either

The OP appears to be dealing with one domain - on which he first removed the old content, before developing new content, for the same domain.
Someone at google was confused as to whether the domain had originally been approved for adsense.

Lagamorph

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3108664 posted 10:34 pm on Oct 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

At the moment the ads are still being blocked and I'm awaiting a response as to whether they will re-allow Adsense. I am running it on other sites without issue.

Carlotto

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 7:18 am on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Still, not being able to run Adsens (the site is in 13 languages and Adsense is the only game in town for all intents and purposes), this would be a terrible blow to the business model.
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The comment above actually hints that you are disqualified from start. If loosing the Adsense revenue is a terrible blow to the business model, it probably means that it is the only, or the major revenue stream. Also - as you mention business model here, it indicates that you are not publishing this site as a hobby, or public service etc - but actually to make a profit. The sum is that you are probably violating this part of the TOS:

"No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant"

It doesn't matter if your site is good, available in many languages etc and if there is a real need for your information in the community. If YOUR PURPOSE is to make money and the main revenue is ads (Google or others), you are violating the TOS.

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 7:41 am on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

"No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant"

Ha Ha Ha!

That disqualifies half the net.

ASchmitt

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 12:36 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

"No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant"
Ha Ha Ha!

That disqualifies half the net.

Indeed... big laugh over here... don't be na´ve...

Green_Grass

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Msg#: 3108664 posted 1:56 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Indeed... big laugh over here... don't be na´ve... "

Google has final control over all matters. They are the kings and if they want to disqualify someone they can do so for any and whatever reason. In fact, they donot need to explain anything to anyone, and these clauses in the TOS just keep everything vague and subject to their interpretation.

If we think, we are safe because we follow the TOS .. We are being naive.

Following the TOS is no guarantee.... but it is good to play by their rules as there is no other place to go..


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