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Impossible to Rank in Google Anymore, Let's All Quit
goodroi




msg:4689825
 8:02 pm on Jul 22, 2014 (gmt 0)

The times have changed and Google is to blame. It is impossible to rank in Google anymore, just ask the website that is ranking above you and they will agree.

The results on Google are just horrible and I can prove it by looking at Google's market share. Consumers are so upset with Google's unhelpful results that their market share has plummeted in the US to a record high of 68% and about 90% in many international markets.

Clearly Google is not a winning option for any website. That is why we should all cut our losses and quit this big waste of time called Google.

How are you going to spend your time after quitting Google?

- Press releases designed to attract media coverage & not spammy backlinks
- Participating in relevant industry forums
- Speaking at relevant seminars and conferences
- Partnering with websites that have complimentary audiences to exchange real traffic
- Publishing & selling products via Amazon
- Build up email newsletter following
- Recruiting popular bloggers to be your brand ambassadors
- Partnering with brick & mortar operations

Google is so silly & confused they won't even realize that we have stopped begging like a whiny baby for their free traffic and made a real brand through actual marketing efforts.

What are we waiting for? Let's all quit Google! Since I am a gentleman I will be nice enough to let my competition quit first :)

 

Selen




msg:4690820
 4:58 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

When our Google organic traffic graph is climbing and average search rankings increase from week to week, that's hardly evidence that "Google organic traffic is dying."

I think the point of this discussion is that you can have your 'organic traffic graph' and 'average search rankings' increased to the record levels, but it doesn't mean you will have more visitors who actually visit your site. Unless your goal is to (technically) rank higher and have fewer and fewer visitors in return.

[edited by: Selen at 5:11 pm (utc) on Jul 26, 2014]

webcentric




msg:4690824
 5:05 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

@EG 3 months ago my Google traffic numbers were growing nicely but I was still working other avenues, improving my site, merging content and pretty much everything you claim that smart publishers do. I've got news for you, your dillusion that everything will be fine as long as one follows this magic fomula you claim to understand, is just that, a dillusion.Your conclusions are based on something that hasn't failed you yet. That's not the same as something that's guaranteed to work for everyone. My traffic took a major nose dive last month despite my best efforts to improve the experience for my users (an experience that wasn't bad to start with).

Guess what? So what! I'm long done depending on Google. Google is not a necessity in my world. I'm guessing we'll all be able to know when something bad happens to your empire when we stop seeing posts about how much smarter you are than the rest of us.

EditorialGuy




msg:4690831
 5:34 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

your dillusion [sic] that everything will be fine as long as one follows this magic fomula you claim to understand, is just that, a dillusion [sic].Your conclusions are based on something that hasn't failed you yet. That's not the same as something that's guaranteed to work for everyone.


No one's saying that a content- and user-centric strategy is guaranteed to work for everyone. No approach is guaranteed to work for everyone. But when Google talks repeatedly about creating useful content and building sites for users, not for search engines--and when it talks about things like subject authority and author credibility being on its "to do" list--it seems clear that, over the long haul, the odds are going to favor site owners who share that philosophy.

webcentric




msg:4690866
 7:26 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

Common sense applies to all of this. Paying attention to Google's message is also wise. Problem is, these don't guarantee anything. Inferring that those who are struggling must have done something wrong or that you did it right sets aside the possibility that you're still waiting in line for a dose of reckoning others have already experienced.

I would challenge you to consider that there is not such a great divide between your success and other people's difficulties as your statements imply. I would also challenge you to try and see this from the perspective of others who are struggling. Empathy and compassion breed better conversations. Understanding that your empire is just as fragile, just as precariously peched as the next, would be a good start.

EditorialGuy




msg:4690867
 7:36 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

Problem is, these don't guarantee anything.


Yep, that's what I just said. It's all about improving the odds.

iammeiamfree




msg:4690872
 8:16 pm on Jul 26, 2014 (gmt 0)

I do think there is still possibility to rank. I do get traffic and it has improved a good 30% over last summer but this is with a lot of work. The work has to be done and it is not as easy as it was. I am seeing some indications that I could be about to see some more improvement in traffic and lots of new updates are in the pipeline. People do come to my site direct, we have citations in books and have been publisheed in exam papers. No doubt the site has its fans so really it is just a matter of doing the long hard work and not looking for a quick fix. I have been undertaking a mammoth project and doing the (smart) hours. My laptop has been working day and night all summer. At times I had it proped up on shot glasses to improve cooling and I have now got over a million indexed pages in google. The quality is really coming together and people do write in to say how much they like. I really recommend trying to create wow factor in your site.

docbird




msg:4690978
 2:30 am on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

The first half of 2014 was pretty eventful at Google. We rolled out major new products like Enterprise Search and AdWords Select, pulled back the curtain on innovation like Google Answers and labs.google.com, partnered with some great companies, and launched tons of little things to improve search that most people--except for maybe the posters here--never notice, but really improve search. What sort of things do you want to see Google doing next? And are you ready for the rest of the year?

- GoogleGuy; tho with slight change by me, to 2014, from 2002. [webmasterworld.com...]

Ah, those were the days; when it seemed Google cared a little about the kind of people posting on webmasterworld.

I'll reiterate view that seems to me Google is too negative nowadays.
Could do more to cultivate a thriving world of websites, but I suspect the boardroom people don't care.
So, indeed had people quit in droves.

I'd found above quote while looking at some lists of old threads on google, to see if indeed had far more lively discussions then. No confirmation.
Did find that trying search for googleguy on webmasterworld led to red flagged behaviour, with need to enter code to proceed with my search. First time I've experienced this!

kenroar




msg:4690990
 5:00 am on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

But when Google talks repeatedly about creating useful content and building sites for users, not for search engines--and when it talks about things like subject authority and author credibility being on its "to do" list--it seems clear that, over the long haul, the odds are going to favor site owners who share that philosophy.


I know many people - me included - who build their sites for users, not Google. I can attest that Google's algorithms do NOT favor us. My site was online several years before Google even existed. This is the point we are making - Google's algorithms have serious flaws and aren't smart enough to detect original content any longer.
.

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 5:51 am (utc) on Jul 27, 2014]
[edit reason] removed personal comments, per Google forum Charter [/edit]

IanKelley




msg:4691015
 9:07 am on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

In the spirit of the thread, which is to say sarcastic but a little serious... Wouldn't it be cool if WW had a sub forum for people who don't, and never have, depended on search engines for income? Whenever Google comes up there is so much anger that rational conversation is impossible.

EditorialGuy




msg:4691080
 4:40 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

I know many people - me included - who build their sites for users, not Google. I can attest that Google's algorithms do NOT favor us. My site was online several years before Google even existed. This is the point we are making - Google's algorithms have serious flaws and aren't smart enough to detect original content any longer.


So what's your recommendation, then? Are you in the "quit Google" camp?

krsaborio




msg:4691087
 5:38 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

Hello goodroi,

Please let me comment on your post ...

The times have changed and Google is to blame.


It's always easy to blame others :)

It is impossible to rank in Google anymore, just ask the website that is ranking above you and they will agree.


In the past, it used to bother me that if I searched for key items for my computers such as drivers, Google used to display obnoxious third party websites on the top. Now, Google usually displays web pages from the manufacturers which is good.

The results on Google are just horrible and I can prove it by looking at Google's market share.


I think Google's results are better now.

It bothered me that a site with a 90s design and with no recent updates to its main pages used to rank on the top. Finally, this site is no longer ranked on the top.

Consumers are so upset with Google's unhelpful results that their market share has plummeted in the US to a record high of 68% and about 90% in many international markets.


I'll appreciate if you could provide a link to a relevant article to support your claim.

Clearly Google is not a winning option for any website.


I think that Google is a winning option for a site that follows this criteria: [webmasterworld.com...]

That is why we should all cut our losses and quit this big waste of time called Google.


It's your decision. Yet, you should consider the above criteria first.

How are you going to spend your time after quitting Google?

- Press releases designed to attract media coverage & not spammy backlinks
- Participating in relevant industry forums
- Speaking at relevant seminars and conferences
- Partnering with websites that have complimentary audiences to exchange real traffic
- Publishing & selling products via Amazon
- Build up email newsletter following
- Recruiting popular bloggers to be your brand ambassadors
- Partnering with brick & mortar operations


While I will not quit my efforts to rank well in Google, I appreciate your recommendations!

Google is so silly & confused they won't even realize that we have stopped begging like a whiny baby for their free traffic and made a real brand through actual marketing efforts.


Are you 100% sure that Google is silly and confused?

What are we waiting for? Let's all quit Google!


People currently upset at Google may want to revise the above criteria.

Since I am a gentleman I will be nice enough to let my competition quit first :)


I doubt your competition will quit first :)

Regards,

krsaborio

P.S. It's good to be back at WebmasterWorld. I used to comment under a different nym in the early 2000s. Regards to everyone!

CaptainSalad2




msg:4691095
 6:22 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

One thing this thread has made crystal clear, goodrio is terrible at online sarcasm! ;)

If ur going todo more tong in cheek in future please consider more wink and sticky out tong face emoticons, they speak volumes ;)

RyuUK




msg:4691096
 6:27 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

I started a site in December 2013 that has performed very well in Google. I have launched several new projects across various niches throughout 2014 and each of these has really struggled to gain any traction. There must be some kind of added filter in place. I guess as long as you are consistent and build daily then you will get there in time with patience. Other than this, I can only think of heading down the social route and having to buy traffic to get you off the ground.

krsaborio




msg:4691104
 6:56 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

Hello RyuUK,

Please allow me to comment on your post.

I started a site in December 2013 that has performed very well in Google.


Congratulations!

I have launched several new projects across various niches throughout 2014 and each of these has really struggled to gain any traction.


I think it depends on the popularity of a specific niche.

If competitors have hundreds of web pages of original, relevant, useful and higher quality content, it'll be a real struggle in the beginning for a new web site to rank well in Google.

There must be some kind of added filter in place.


The filter is probably the hundreds of web pages of original, relevant, useful and higher quality content of competitors.

I guess as long as you are consistent and build daily then you will get there in time with patience.


I think you're absolutely correct.

Other than this, I can only think of heading down the social route and having to buy traffic to get you off the ground.


While you develop your content for a popular and specific niche, I think AdWords should be used wisely in the beginning ...

Regards,

krsaborio

RedBar




msg:4691113
 7:50 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

goodrio is terrible at online sarcasm!


That's been abundantly evident, perhaps a bit too subtle? :-)

I have launched several new projects across various niches throughout 2014 and each of these has really struggled to gain any traction.


That's been noticeable for the past couple of years however May Panda 4.0 provided a great boost for all of my new sites, since then I've uploaded a couple more and awaiting the next iteration to see if the same thing happens again.

EditorialGuy




msg:4691114
 7:53 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

goodrio is terrible at online sarcasm!


He does better when he sticks to Brazilian Portuguese.

RyuUK




msg:4691117
 8:51 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

krsaborio: I think I've just had it too easy over the past few years. Got to step up, but at the same time move away from Google dependency. Thanks for your feedback.

kenroar




msg:4691124
 9:32 pm on Jul 27, 2014 (gmt 0)

So what's your recommendation, then? Are you in the "quit Google" camp?


No, as I stated earlier in this thread I still have hope that one day one of their algorithms will actually be a good one. I still make money off Google, but it seems the days of getting all my money from the internet are over. I may be dusting off my resumes. Because my sites are content-driven and not commerce driven, I really have no other way to make my income. I believe that most our problems will be solved when Google begins to care once again about original content. I think this will only happen when enough websites go under and creative, original content makers begin giving up. Why create original content when it will only be copied and Google will deny DMCA removal requests?

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