| 12:51 am on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
Which is better between: blog dot websitename dot com or websitename / blog -- It really doesn't matter from a search perspective too much, so I go with user-friendly, which is usually websitename / blog.
As far as keyword stuffing being good or bad goes, when you keyword stuff, what happens is you end up with stuffed keywords. Keywords don't really need to be stuffed for visitors, because people will "get" your page is about keywords stuffing without you stuffing it full of keywords if you just write naturally about keyword stuffing, rather than stuffing your keyword in any chance you get.
Search engines will also understand your keyword stuffing page is about keyword stuffing when you talk about keyword stuffing without actually keyword stuffing -- All keyword stuffing really does is provide a bad experience for visitors who try to read your keyword stuffed page about keyword stuffing, because keyword stuffing certainly won't help you rank these days and I didn't need to say keyword stuffing as many times as I stuffed the words keyword and stuffed or variations into these two paragraphs to answer your question about keyword stuffing, did I?
Don't keyword stuff a page it worked 5+ years ago, but now it's silly to do.
| 1:13 am on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
LOL! Be careful JD_Toims, you might have just made this thread rank for "keywords stuffing" now ;-)
| 1:23 am on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
LMAO! I was actually think my post could totally backfire just because this site carries so much weight on SEO topics and it's "fresh", so I'll just hope it doesn't -- Of course, the chances definitely increase if there's only two paragraphs of it on the page and the page gets some "traction" in the results.
| 3:44 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
|Don't keyword stuff a page it worked 5+ years ago, but now it's silly to do. |
Unfortunately I have to say that it still works just like keyword stuffing the titlebar, Google still haven't a grasp on this whatsoever in my business sector.
| 3:57 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
If the keyword density for a phrase on a particular page is not very high, but a lot of the mentions of the phrase are in the first few paragraphs, could this be seen as keyword stuffing?
| 6:11 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
|Unfortunately I have to say that it still works just like keyword stuffing the titlebar, Google still haven't a grasp on this whatsoever in my business sector. |
Just because it's there doesn't mean it's working to rank the page(s) higher -- It simply means it's not a "penalty" for it to be done that way.
| 6:15 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
I'd say it depends on how you're using it. Speak the paragraphs out loud. Does it sound stuffed? If so, it probably is.
There are some terms that are good as keywords but must still be used multiple times in a short space to refer back to a subject, such as proper names.
| 7:35 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for the response.
I agree with what you are saying.
| 8:19 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
|Just because it's there doesn't mean it's working to rank the page(s) higher |
If you want to believe that then fine, I see what they're doing and I see them outranking quality pages and sites, not only mine, with utter stuffing garbage.
This very rarely happens in Bing.
| 8:27 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
Well, if you want to prove me wrong take a page on your site, or if you're risk adverse and not as confident as it seems, set up another domain and stuff it to the max, then let us know when you pass the other pages using the same techniques -- It should be rather simple if you're right and stuffing is what's actually causing them to rank.
| 8:32 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
I don't think the stuffed page can stand on its own without a blackhat crafted pyramid of onsite and offsite lateral links building up layers to the stuffed page. And as RedBar is suggesting some search engines are smarter than others at figuring that out.
The iceberg analogy applies well here. While google is studying the people going owwwwwww and ahhhhhhh looking at the iceberg bing probably sent their divers down with a string of 2000 tools to figure out what's keeping it afloat.
| 8:32 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
You're both right.
| 8:45 pm on Nov 5, 2013 (gmt 0)|
I think these [including the linked patents granted nearly 8 years ago] are always a good read/review after a discussion of the obsolete so many are still convinced are "factors" in the rankings:
Phrase Based Indexing and Retrieval [webmasterworld.com]
Keyword Density and Google [webmasterworld.com]
[Yup, those are ancient history discussions, but Google hasn't "moved back to pre-2006" afaik, so they're likely as, or more, applicable today.]