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Do backlinks matter as much anymore
wockawocka




msg:4616787
 10:39 am on Oct 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I ask this question because I hardly have any backlinks to my site other than pinterest ones to my images and a few facebook and twitter links.

For external bodies outside that I have almost none. Yet, I can write a blog post and be on page 1 of Google in three days and I usually stick there.

This is with a new post and no backlinks. Some posts were written 3 years ago and are still on page one.

With Google removing Keyword data is this a sign of the future. Where Google will work you out independent of incoming links and position you accordingly?

It would certainly make sense to do so further enhancing it's position as ranking content and it would make our lives easier?

 

aakk9999




msg:4616895
 6:16 pm on Oct 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I think it depends on how competitive the niche is. Within some not so competitive niches, you can rank with on-page SEO alone. For competitive niches you still need links.

Andem




msg:4616918
 8:50 pm on Oct 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I don't think links make so much of a difference anymore. In fact, I believe that user metrics have far more weight than anything else.

My opinion is based on a very large amount of empirical data.

frankleeceo




msg:4616921
 9:31 pm on Oct 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

@Andem

Could you please share the weight on each of the user metrics? Maybe at least share a few that you think weigh the most?

Ps. I agree with the user metrics. Good user metrics is key to obtain higher long term exposure and visibility. Although, have you compared data with good metrics versus bad metrics? How did they fare with each other? How did you come to this conclusion?

I have always thought to myself that user metrics is gaining more and more weight as time goes on, from further personalization to SERP CTR loyalty. But I do not have data to back it up, other than my ever growing traffic in selected niches which only seems to be anecdotal experience. So I have kept it hush to myself.

It does feel that user metric is hard to improve, rather than having good useful content and easy to use interface. Other than that I really have no clue.

Are there specific areas or layout that you try to aim for with your sites?

Thanks!

Simsi




msg:4617110
 5:08 pm on Oct 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

I think it's a transitional period. Links still have some effect but advances in the algorithms mean user metrics and content is actually a viable alternative and, as time goes on and the tech improves links will become all but irrelevant in SEO terms.

Right now, I see that you can even rank for relatively competitive terms without a significant number of external links if you have the content right.

Links still have some impact but I see them as a short-term strategy. Every iteration of Penguin is another line of writing on the wall.

Shepherd




msg:4617119
 5:47 pm on Oct 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

2014+ Build links for relevant traffic, convert that traffic, everything else will fall into place.


"build"- buy, beg, trade, doesn't matter, links should be for traffic.
"anchor text"- whatever entices the view to click through to your site.
"no-follow"- makes no difference, has nothing to do with the viewer clicking the link.
"page rank"- doesn't matter, page views matter.
"bad neighborhood"- can you convert traffic from bad neighborhoods?

aristotle




msg:4617186
 9:12 pm on Oct 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

I wish it were true that backlinks have no effect. Then people wouldn't be able to get top rankings by buying links. And most of the sites demoted by Penguin would be free to rank on their merits.

We've been talking about user metrics for many years, and I've always believed that this would be a better way to go if done properly. But to me, the only real evidence that Google has switched to user metrics as the main ranking factor would be if their search results begin to improve, and I haven't seen any signs of that yet.

EditorialGuy




msg:4617228
 12:50 am on Oct 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

But to me, the only real evidence that Google has switched to user metrics as the main ranking factor would be if their search results begin to improve, and I haven't seen any signs of that yet.


There's no reason to assume that Google will "switch" to user metrics or anything else. With 200+ factors built into its ranking algorithm, changes aren't likely to be as simple as "yesterday we relied on links, today we're relying on user metrics." (And even if it were that simple, the question of "which user metrics, and in what way?" wouldn't be answered.)

Even if Google did decide to throw out links and rely on a carefully-chosen assortment of user metrics, that wouldn't guarantee good search results. It could easily lead to far worse search results during the transition period, thanks to the law of unintended consequences.

eighty9




msg:4617522
 10:39 pm on Oct 17, 2013 (gmt 0)

While user metrics may be playing an increasingly important role in the algorithm, links are still a critical component and will be for a long time to come (EditorialGuy brings up some very good points). I'd guess your site's authority is what's causing your posts to rank without links, or it may be a relatively uncompetitive niche as aakk9999 mentioned.

I'm still seeing sites rank for highly competitive kw's solely off link networks, sitewide links and comment spam- things that the original panda/penguin updates should have taken care of. Obviously these strategies aren't sustainable, but you might be surprised to see how others rank if you sit down and take a look (I know I have been).

It would be great to hear others thoughts on this and what they see happening in the future.

Simsi




msg:4617702
 4:20 pm on Oct 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

It would be great to hear others thoughts on this and what they see happening in the future


My only additional thought is that anything that a webmaster can do to manipulate ranking, aside from providing valuable content obviously, has to be a target for Google. Therefore, how you see the future importance of links (that is to say, links that you or someone you employ can influence) will reflect your general opinion as to whether Google can get where it needs to be without the need to factor them in.

If you build a website whose position in SERPS is reliant on links that you have paid for, exchanged, created, hired someone to do or in some way manipulated, IMO you'd perhaps be a little naive if you don't expect there to be a reasonable chance that one day your site will be demoted.

bwnbwn




msg:4617713
 5:34 pm on Oct 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

Do backlinks matter as much anymore

answer is yes:
Simsi made a valid point but missed one important revelation. Show me a site in a competitive nich that isn't dependent on links to rank.
Google/Bing have had 12+ years of data to understand natural verses manipulated links. If you don't know the difference and how these links can be generated (or a better term created) then the web is going to a hard place to make a living.

martinibuster




msg:4617723
 6:21 pm on Oct 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

Yes, links do matter. Matt Cutts posted a video on YouTube yesterday talking about link building.

[youtu.be...]

Just a few months ago Matt posted a video about Unnatural Links warnings:
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The day links don't matter is the day Google stops sending unnatural link warnings.

There is no doubt or question about it. Links DO matter.

Danny Sullivan asked Matt Cutts that question a few months ago at SMX West. Here is the article. [searchenginejournal.com]

New discussion topic from Danny: Shifting to links… Now that we’ve gone through penalty linking through advertorials. Is the world of linking going to break down? Shouldn’t we all just shift to social?

Matt: Links in his opinion have many many many more years ahead of us as valuable. Black hat tactics that were used in the past are getting less and less successful. Google’s put a lot of time and energy into shutting down link networks etc. Thus, good links that are built naturally will still provide value for a long time.

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