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web fallen pages but only in english
helenp




msg:4530771
 12:27 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I have not checked so not sure when but could be in november or this month.
My site is is hosted in usa, we are fisically in spain, the web is in english, spanish and swedish.
The content of the homepage in the diferent languages is equal, only language that change.
In order there are more backlink to the english site wich is the main url, then the spanish and then swedish wich are in a folder like mysite/language/index.php

The strange is that the site has been about 10 years always on 1st page in Google, only varying position in first page.
Now for my main search, the english homepage can be found on page 4, while the spanish and swedish has not changed.
Does this mean the same will happen to the spanish and swedish on next update, or that the english can recover?

 

goodroi




msg:4530830
 6:38 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hello helenp,

Have you noticed a decrease in traffic to your website or are you only seeing a decrease in your website ranking within the Google search results page?

helenp




msg:4530831
 6:54 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hi, I have a decrease for the total of visits both in awstats and in Google Analytics.

aakk9999




msg:4530858
 9:52 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

It could be a good idea to check Google Webmaster Tools, Search queries and by changing the reporting period down to a week (or less) to try to detect when did the fall happen by chrcking the average ranking position for the selected period.

You could then check to see if it corresponds to any of Google updates or perhaps to time when you might have changed something on the site

helenp




msg:4530860
 10:18 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

I am not sure, as depends on day of week, and also before christmas there are less visitors, however looking at the graphic in webmastertools it looks like it is since 14 december.

I have not done any changes to the website, as I said, the 3 indexpages are copies, only the language differ, and only main homepage fallen.

The only thing I did was to get an dedicated ip on the 28 november, in wich day there was less visitors as for some strange reason, some visitor got another website, but that was ok the day after.

aakk9999




msg:4530868
 11:00 pm on Dec 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

^^^ Do not look at graph that shows impressions/clicks, instead look at the average ranking position (most right hand column), for the row(s) for the keywords that your home page ranks/used to rank.

By changing the reporting period dates on the top right and checking the average ranking position for the keywords the home page ranked, you can find out with a pretty good certainty when the drop has happened.

Robert Charlton




msg:4530956
 9:32 am on Dec 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

The only thing I did was to get an dedicated ip on the 28 november, in wich day there was less visitors as for some strange reason, some visitor got another website, but that was ok the day after.

This might be a possible cause... certainly one to be checked over. I've never had a glitch as you described after making a dns change, where the visitor has gotten the wrong domain. Conceivably, not everything was done properly when you made your change, or there was some problem at the host.

While Google's index is domain-based, not IP-based, the change in IP might have also caused Google to re-evaluate geo-location, or at least to restart the evaluation process.

There are several possible factors affecting geo-location at work here. Host location, inbound links, and language are three large factors that Google looks at wrt international geo-location. TLD is another. They are all interdependent. So, if linking and language signals are sufficiently strong, hosting location might not be a significant factor at all.

English is most likely more competitive than Spanish and Swedish. If your host is physically in Spain, is it possible that your inbound links, even when in English, are predominantly from Spain?

As I understand it, you have one domain for all of your languages, with separate directories for each language. Is it a top level tld (.com, .net)? Can you describe your setup in a little more detail.

I have not done any changes to the website, as I said, the 3 index pages are copies, only the language differ, and only main homepage fallen.

If the languages are different, this will not be considered duplicate content, so don't be concerned about that.

helenp




msg:4530963
 9:56 am on Dec 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

aak:
not sure, looks as it has been slowly fallen in positions, and on the 13th december a big fall.

I have hardly no backlinks looking for link:www.mysite, also other sites have no or few backlinks.

I dont know if the tool is ok,
checking for backlinks a university or another kind of schools page in norway has as per google webmastertool
3.564 links to 1 of my swedish pages....
thats really strange.
Thanks

[edited by: helenp at 10:09 am (utc) on Dec 25, 2012]

helenp




msg:4530970
 10:06 am on Dec 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Robert:
No my site is physically located in USA, however the company is in Spain.
And I am was not worried about duplicated content, I only meant that the quality of content is equal in the 3 languages.

I have a .com site
I have mysite.com/index.htm (enlish language)
then I have mysite.com/spanish/index.htm
and mysite.com/swedish/index.htm

Not sure how to look up the dns error that there were,
the site in question was not even located in the same host as my site, so the ip thing was really strange.

If I check in google webmastertools
(my translation from spanish) in optimization-structured dates it says hatom, if I click on hatom I get 10 url of mine, one I get twice, if I mouse over the urls, the first shows my menu, however the second (same url) shows a wordpress page with the name of the company that was involved when I changed ip, and it says detected last time 28/11, that was when I changed ip.
Thanks

helenp




msg:4531192
 8:03 pm on Dec 26, 2012 (gmt 0)

Actually, I think its so suspicios and looks like a bug to me. I have not received any penalty message so think I should not have to use the disallow tool.
However I have to 3.564 links from a universitypage to a page in the swedish folder, not an index files just a normal page, also there is 171 links from a parked domain......of wich 163 is to that same swedish page and 8 to an english page. However I cant see any of these links....
I have just written to the university to find out about those 3.564 links...

Am just thinking, as the page in question is not any indexpage, maybe I should just rename it, so google gets a 404 for the link.
What do you think?
Maybe its not the reason, but I dont feel comfortable with that amount of links from the same website.

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