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Google Update Bacon
SnowMan68



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:36 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Panda refresh is rolling out—expect some flux over the next few days. Fewer than 0.7% of queries noticeably affected: [twitter.com...]


from previous blogpost:
...in the last day or so we launched a pretty big algorithmic improvement to our ranking—a change that noticeably impacts 11.8% of our queries—and we wanted to let people know what’s going on. This update is designed to reduce rankings for low-quality sites—sites which are low-value add for users, copy content from other websites or sites that are just not very useful. At the same time, it will provide better rankings for high-quality sites—sites with original content and information such as research, in-depth reports, thoughtful analysis and so on. [googleblog.blogspot.com...]


Related:
Google Domain Diversity Update:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Google Has Major Host Crowding Problems:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Monthly Update Changes Thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Knowledge Graph:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:31 pm (utc) on Sep 19, 2012]
[edit reason] added some context and related links [/edit]

 

backdraft7

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:53 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)


System: The following message was spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4496841.htm [webmasterworld.com] by tedster - 1:52 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (EST -4)


Just saw this tweet dated 9:06 am 9/18/2012

Panda refresh is rolling out—expect some flux over the next few days. Fewer than 0.7% of queries noticeably affected:http://goo.gl/woSU3
[goo.gl...]

hang on to your hats!

tedster

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 7:36 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Interesting to notice that a Panda Update is expected to generate some short term flux in the rankings. Things that make me go hmmm...

timwilliams



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 7:49 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Things that make me go hmmm...


Makes me wonder if they are applying randomization (patent discussed earlier [webmasterworld.com ] ) to their updates.

tedster

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 8:22 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

It certainly points to the complex way that SERPs are generated these days. We may never know the specifics, but the end effect seems to be traffic turning on and off again for a period of a few days.

realmaverick

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 8:49 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Not noticed any effect yet. Hmmm

zeus

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 8:56 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

realmaverick - same here, I dont see anything happening to my site or keywords i watch.

IanTurner

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 10:48 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Have seen heavy Panda damage on the sites I know are affected by Panda.

Will probably see some relaxation from this point if it goes as other updates. Non Pandalised sites have done well for the last couple of days as a counterpoint.

brinked

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 11:13 pm on Sep 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Why are we all still making a big deal about each and every panda refresh? This has become a part of googles algorithm and it sounds like it is here to stay.

I am saying this as someone who became overly obsessed with each and every google update. It does you no good to worry about each and every update google is rolling out. Right now the SEO world is dealing with panda and penguin but there are so many other aspects of googles algorithm that none of us even know about. These kinds of threads are exactly what google wants. You think google is announcing these updates for our benefit?

If you were hit by one of these updates, your plan no longer works. If you want to stay relevant in the SEO world it is your job to adapt. That means becoming more natural. Short cuts are no longer worth it.

I cant control what google does. I can only control what I can do. While I still monitor googles updates, I no longer try to understand them because I have driven myself crazy in the past. if I can only go back and focus more on my actual sites than focusing on what google is doing, I would have had so much more free time to actually have a life.

Stop waiting for the next panda/penguin refresh to fix all your problems. Be pro-active and focus on a real business that can sustain itself. And most of all do what you enjoy doing.

mslina2002

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 12:17 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Well guess I am in the 0.7% then.

Didn't notice anything until I saw this message tonight.

Traffic still about the same but noticed for my vanity keyword went from page 1 to 3. Hopefully it will change in the next few days.

realmaverick

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 1:06 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

@brinked, because 1) this is a Google news forum and a Panda update is Google news. 2) many people work their asses off trying to resolve issues with Panda and eagerly await the updates to see whether they've "made the grade", so naturally, when the updates are released, it's discussed here.

Whether somebody has a company that can sustain itself without Google, or not, won't stop them caring about the next Panda update.

louieramos



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 1:57 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

wonder why did they only announce it now whilst there has been a lot of flux over the weekend right after the domain diversity update

tedster

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:05 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

My guess would be that the cause of the weekend flux was not Panda. With Google, the flux seems to almost never stop. It just gets bigger and smaller. I'd love to have a better handle on what they are doing that causes it.

sid786

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:22 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I was halfway through editing and removing my site's older content and this update just rolled in. I hope my site sees a jump (nothing phenomenal so far)... Please! Please! Please!

mslina2002

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:31 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Definitely tweaking things still. When I cleared cache, cookies, logged out - I am back to page 1 again.
Keywords went from crappy earlier on to now more long tails and autocomplete keywords.

Personally, I understand brinked POV. It's just exhausting to keep checking Google's latest animal du jour each day. I have seen many do well without the help of Google and without any inkling of SEO. It's got all to do with social search and social media. If you are not working on that you should. It's yet another pile to add to the plate but that is what seem to be working now.

realmaverick

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 7:50 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

It is exhausting. But it's still news worthy and worth discussing here IMO.

Noticing an uptick in traffic so far today for the past 2 hours.

zeus

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 8:49 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I still dont get what Panda is and I think no one does. I have removed 60% of all my pages, I would not say those where low content, changed CMS, added some unique text to every page(its a image site), clean urls,no keyword stuffing..... Now when I then look at no.1 for my keyword it has 5 banner above fold on every page, exchangelinks offer, default text where 3 words are changed on every page, so every thing on that site is COMPLETELY the offer sit of what google says is good and they rank no.1 of 56 million results.

When I then hear today that the Panda is on the loose again and nothing happens, I just wonder if google is telling the truth here, be cause I sure dont know what to do, when you see bad sites rank better.

Martin Ice Web

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 9:17 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Our traffic is going up and down like a rollerocaster.
Although it seems more targeted. Lots of picture search and foreign traffic ( from austria and swiss ). We are located in germany.

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 10:02 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

My B&M sites are steady however my niche trade directory site, especially the Coppermine Image Gallery, is all over the place. The last four days have seen it's lowest sequence of Page Views however a strong AdSense EPC.

added some unique text to every page(its a image site)


Yep, I did that to 50% of the gallery starting August 1st and it seems to have worked, now I need to do the other 50%...that's a huge amount of work.

Martin Ice Web

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 10:54 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Huskypup,

what will you say with this. You put text on 50% of your pages and gained a lot more search strings but you have less visitors? And you say this has worked? I can´t put this together, please give me a short insight. Thanx.

zeus

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 11:09 am on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

well i have placed unique text to every page, I have not seen any change and my site was on page one for 7 years (that means google suddenly thinks my site suck, hmm). As said before, that site which is no.1 has also images as main content, but absolutely no unique text, participate in link exchange (extreme) 5 large banners above fold....

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 12:30 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

On 1st August I included relevant text on 50% of my gallery pages and page views to that 50% went up.

The problem I now have is that this morning this specific site has now been blown apart and looks as though it has lost 80+% of its traffic...Gawd knows where Google's thinking is coming from, this gallery is the only one of its kind on the entire web, I supposed I'd better see if I've been scraped and shafted!

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 12:47 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

> in the last day or so we launched a pretty big algorithmic improvement

Lots of changes over the last week in Google. From the host crowding, domain diversity, and now some noise back to an update a year ago (panda) - these all combine into a major update. Lets call it Bacon - in difference to the recent Knowledge Graph demonstration Google has shown. I think the KG will be a huge focus for google over the coming years and it will impact search beyond anything we have seen since the introduction of Page Rank. Think Frommers, Zagat, Flight Times, and a host of other google 'serp spam'. All those inserts and 'take aways' from traditional sites, come from Googles KG project. Bacon is a perfect representative of that.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:49 pm (utc) on Sep 19, 2012]

mhansen



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 1:12 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Calling it bacon would imply everyone loves it, no? (Everyone loves bacon) Why not call it "Woman" or "Spouse"... I've been married 20 years, can't live without her... and still haven't worked out what makes her happy all the time!

[edited by: mhansen at 1:41 pm (utc) on Sep 19, 2012]

Martin Ice Web

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 1:15 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

HuskyPu, thanx, i didn´t catch your post this way. But now it makes sence.

@Brett , I think you refer to the BACON threat. I didn´t understand that at all. I Know I can eat Bacon, but what does Bacon an some actors do have in common. Plaese shade some light on that. Thanx.

backdraft7

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 1:45 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Interesting to notice that a Panda Update is expected to generate some short term flux in the rankings.


Darn tootin'! Every time we hear "Google Update" it's like hearing the tsunami or tornado siren going off.
I feel like a yoyo after all these updates.

BTW - where's the BACON? I saw bacon in the title and started to drool.
The topic title is like Google serps, says one thing, then leads you to another.

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:12 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

If anyone missed it, Bacon Number:

[webmasterworld.com...]

claaarky

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4496825 posted 2:51 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Just had a bacon sandwich, came back to my laptop and the Panda thread has gone! Powerful stuff bacon.

Am I missing something here. It was just a Panda refresh yesterday, wasn't it?

crobb305

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 3:00 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

...in the last day or so we launched a pretty big algorithmic improvement to our ranking—a change that noticeably impacts 11.8% of our queries—and we wanted to let people know what’s going on. This update is designed to reduce rankings for low-quality sites—sites which are low-value add for users, copy content from other websites or sites that are just not very useful. At the same time, it will provide better rankings for high-quality sites—sites with original content and information such as research, in-depth reports, thoughtful analysis and so on.

Just to clarify, that paragraph is from the first Panda back in February of last year. 11.8% of queries were not affected by this most recent Panda update. I know that's not what Snowman68 was trying to say, but I just wanted to clarify for anyone reading here for the first time.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4496825 posted 3:46 pm on Sep 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I am confused.

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