| 7:02 pm on Aug 8, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Google is more and more the competition then a webmasters search engine.
| 7:27 pm on Aug 8, 2012 (gmt 0)|
it doesnt look too bad at the moment, because each of those clickable pictures at the top of the SERPs only lead to another SERPs page.
its when those pictures lead directly to another google property, thats when the trouble will start. imagine if someone searched for "new york hotels", and google put pictures of all the hotels at the top. if each of those pictures led directly to the hotel's own google+ page, then people are going to start losing loads of traffic.
im guessing that is where we are heading.
| 7:40 pm on Aug 8, 2012 (gmt 0)|
shhhhhhh londrum dont tell them
| 12:23 am on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|its when those pictures lead directly to another google property, that's when the trouble will start. imagine if someone searched for "new york hotels", and google put pictures of all the hotels at the top. if each of those pictures led directly to the hotel's own google+ page, then people are going to start losing loads of traffic. im guessing that is where we are heading. |
As history has shown with this company.... you can bet on it! ... how else could they possibly sustain a 30% quarterly growth rate...
|shhhhhhh londrum dont tell them |
LOL... its already built into their master plan since around 2005-2006...
The above mentioned used to be called "conspiracy theories" and "tin hat foils" back then. Today those theories are fully materializing in front of everyone's eyes and are fast becoming the norm. No one can or will do zilch about it because it is too late!... perhaps a fine here and a fine there which are going to heart Google just like a small mosquito on a Mammoth's butt.
| 2:02 pm on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Is it me or is the term "knowledge graph" completely misleading as to what it really is? Since it's content Google didn't write inserted onto their results pages there isn't much "graph" to it.
| 2:40 pm on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|The above mentioned used to be called "conspiracy theories" and "tin hat foils" back then. |
There are still many that can't/won't see what is happening.
| 3:35 pm on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
In the near future Google will just use excerpts from web sites and you might get a link that almost home will click on so you won't get any traffic at all. Google should start paying is for using our content if you ask me.
| 11:44 am on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
< moved from another location >
Google Knowledge graph is awesome, it's like a real person answering on what we are asking them. There is no hesitation to say, this is an evolution of next generation of search, whatever you experience with this search is exactly what you are thinking or want.
This is not my word, as you can read interesting facts about next generation of search here in Google's official blog,
Building the search engine of the future, one baby step at a time: [googleblog.blogspot.in ]
[edited by: tedster at 3:56 pm (utc) on Aug 9, 2012]
| 4:12 pm on Aug 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
@seogenx, you are being sarcastic, right? Just try to SEO the graph and you'll see youself without a job or being like in a hamster wheel.
| 6:45 am on Aug 10, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|Just try to SEO the graph and you'll see youself without a job or being like in a hamster wheel |
That apprehension was raised even during introduction of universal blended results (covering SERP inventory with google verticals) but still SEOrs are able to sustain.
Don't worry friend, there's always a way out and we will surely find it however complex this may be, no artificial system can outsmart human intelligence when it comes to hacking.
- Lalit Kumar
| 7:04 am on Aug 10, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|In the near future Google will just use excerpts from web sites and you might get a link that almost home will click on so you won't get any traffic at all. |
Very near future - I already add Google "noindex meta tags to any page Google doesn't send traffic to in any 14 day period. Since I cant be sure WHY Google stopped sending traffic to these pages, and they won't tell me if I ask, they don't need to be working against me either.
| 6:07 pm on Aug 11, 2012 (gmt 0)|
As much as I dislike Google, the knowledge graph is a useful tool.
| 11:09 pm on Aug 12, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Strange but I can't see it. I've tried the example searches from the Google blogpost, but my search results look the same as always - no "knowledge graph" additions for me for [things to do in Paris] for example (and yes, I'm searching from the US).
| 12:01 am on Aug 13, 2012 (gmt 0)|
I tried "things to do in Paris" ( which is only about 400kms east of me in France ) and I got a whole top line of images above the serps full screen left side to right side of the browser ( Opera ) and with "slideshow" type arrows to "click on" , so there were obviously still more images marked "tourist attractions, frequently mentioned on the web"..and a link marked "feedback"..
A click on one of the images takes me to a new search page with results for that image , and "knowledge graph" next to the first organic "result"..and the "tourist attractions, frequently mentioned on the web" images area is still there full "window", side to side at the top of the serps..with the same images in a different order..
A click on the "feedback" link generates a, "wrong ?" link under each image with an invitation to "Please report the problem" so that I can report it as "incorrect"..
But a click on any "wrong" , merely opens another serps page , specific to the image description, again with images across the top..and no means to "report" anything..
Does keep me on Google's own pages for a very long time though..
No image actually is credited in any way with the website it originates from, nor is it linked to an "originating website"..G just shows them, as if the images "belonged" to the plex..
However on the specific page of the "knowledge graph" which opens after a click on each image..the originating site is mentioned in the "knowledge graph section" text in very pale grey below a thumbnail of the image that was clicked upon on the previous page..
A click on this thumbnail opens the usual [google.com...] lightbox version of the image " full size" with the original page that it is taken from "greyed" out..which as usual I have to click to close the image ..to actually get to the page that Google took the image from..
So ..for a given search phrase "things to do in Paris" ..Google now shows me a serps page with many prominent images and ads , each image, is an "uncredited image", ( with no link to where they got it from ) , I have to click through to a related serp ( again with ads ), for that image, read the text below the thumbnail, to see where they got it, click through the thumbnail, to hit another Gimages page with "Images may be subject to copyright." ( but inspite of it being "copyright", G has so far used it three times, and I'm still not actually at the site they took it from )..and then click "close" on the full size image that G displays over the "greyed out page"..before I get to the page of the owner of the copyright to that image*..
So 4 clicks after typing the search query to get to the actual page !..( meanwhile I'm on G properties with ads all around ) and even then the page that G took the image from, has scraped the image , to make ultra thin content..monetised by ..can you guess ?
( in this case it was an American travel, monetised by affiliate deals and adsense, site using an image taken without permission from the official site of the Louvre Museum in Paris France..so stolen image, re-stolen, 3 successive times, by G ..irony..)
Now..anyone still wondering why their "actual arrived visitors to their website count" has fallen ?..
( I have all the successive screen-shots for the above search)
| 12:35 am on Aug 13, 2012 (gmt 0)|
@Leosghost, THANKS for your research. You did more than I was willing to do when I saw the Knowledge Graph. Looked like a copy of Wikipedia, except for all the Google ads and as you put it re-stolen images. Nope, no wonder we don't get any hits anymore and Google will dry up any eComm sites too in the very near future. I jusy found (posted in another thread) Google's Hotelfinder so now there is no need for other BIG companies either and other sites are just some filling to look good and so they don't have to write all content themselves, but just scrape it and have the stomac to tell us what we can write. World Domination :(
| 1:44 am on Aug 13, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|Is it me or is the term "knowledge graph" completely misleading as to what it really is? Since it's content Google didn't write inserted onto their results pages there isn't much "graph" to it. |
It's actually "knowledge grab", but one of the CEOs had a speech impediment and the engineers misunderstood... :)
| 11:09 am on Aug 13, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|No image actually is credited in any way with the website it originates from, nor is it linked to an "originating website"..G just shows them, as if the images "belonged" to the plex.. |
I tested what you said with "Paris" as example and reproduce the same sequence that you explained. I think that consider thumbnails to be their own content, though they are generated from copyrighted content of another third party site.
|"Images may be subject to copyright." ( but inspite of it being "copyright", G has so far used it three times, and I'm still not actually at the site they took it from ) |
that is basically a message for anyone else who dares to copy that image and used it on their site, while they consider themselves to be an exception to any of the copyright acts in this world. It is probably because they are doing something that is "very innovative" and as part of the "natural progression" that people would like to see in search engines...Gods becomes thieves but still want people to worship them as gods without any objection...
| 4:04 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
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Search for "[country name ] actors", is this layout new?
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 6:04 pm (utc) on Sep 9, 2012]
[edit reason] moved and combined thread [/edit]
| 6:17 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Mod's note: Sorry, was away long enough that I completely missed the above thread. I'm combining discussions... Please forgive the repetitions.
|Search for "[country name ] actors", is this layout new? |
Normally, we don't allow specific searches, but this isn't going to skew anything, and the layout/interface is new and very striking. Images of the actors are display via an image slider which slides horizontally across the top of the page....
I don't see it for "US" or "united states", but I do see it for almost any other [countryname actors] search... eg where the countryname is "america", "uk", "canada", "india", "japan", etc.
Also, search for [james bond actors], eg, and you'll see all the actors who've played James Bond.
It also extends into things like [cityname buildings], [placename bridges], [someplacename skyscrapers], etc. Eg, try...
[new york buildings]
I'm giving it a name... "Image Slider interface".
Am not sure what Google will call it. These are likely to be generic enough that we can post examples... but let's keep them examplified where possible.
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 6:11 pm (utc) on Sep 9, 2012]
| 7:19 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
I don't see it on google.com.au yet, google.com only ...
Part of the "knowledge graph"?
| 7:43 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Same as "things to do in xxx" , which dates back a couple of weeks now. I imagine it's going to be rolled out across more searches.
| 8:31 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Not on google.co.uk.
| 9:24 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
|Part of the "knowledge graph"? |
I'd say very much so. Seems like this interface is a top end of a taxonomy of the types of "named entities" that are included in the knowledge graph... at least those which can be represented pictorially... so far mostly best-known pop figures that fit a category and major landmarks that fit a place. Hard to say whether these have emerged from the collection of entities that had been included in the Knowledge Graph, or whether it was a structure that was planned all along.
The interface is apparently being rolled out right now, and I've been seeing new features being added as it's evolving. Eg, the current display for [bridges america] now includes a text field in a black rectangle, located on the left side of the slider, which says...
This text rectangle was not there when the evening started. It's gotten added as the display rolls out.
Clicking any one of the images retains the rows of images... they remain across the top... but the original query is lost in the search box and replaced by the name of each clicked image...
Effectively, this jumps the user one level down in the [bridges america] taxonomy. Clicking on each image brings up a whole new set of relevant Knowledge Graph entries results and search results... maps, key facts, etc, all leading to their own searches.
Perhaps this is just the beginning of something more elaborate... and who knows what other interface innovations will be introduced. I think it's extremely impressive. Main limitation now is that it's populated only by the most simple and iconic searches, and far from complete. Largest cities and result sets dominate, as might be expected at the start. Success, IMO, will be determine by how fast Google can bring out data for other more interesting searches. It's a promising beginning, though still basically superficial.
[saturn moons], one of the areas I follow online, is represented by a shot of each moon, but thus far Knowledge Base info doesn't go very deep, due perhaps to the search unfriendliness of the key sites on the topic.
Something like "things to do in xxx", I should note, if fully featured, might conflict with offerings of many commercial travel sites.
| 10:55 am on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
PS - Google calls it a "carousel", and it's definitely tied in with the Knowledge Graph...
Explore with the Knowledge Graph carousel in English globally
Google Inside Search - 9/5/12
|...Over the next couple days, we’ll begin showing the carousel for factual lists to our English users on all Google domains across the world. |
Coincidentally, they also mention the saturn's moons (the exploration of which by Cassini has for me been one of the great modern scientific adventures).
|This works for a variety of locally interesting lists like [aamir khan movies], [cast of the it crowd] or [mountains of the alps] or more general queries like [saturn’s moons] or [dog breeds]. The carousel makes it easy to explore the items in the list -- it stays attached to the top of the search results page so you can flip through the items easily and dive in deeper if something catches your interest.... |
| 12:11 pm on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
I posted about this "slider" on August 13th this year here in
It is just image theft by G ..pure and simple..and it puts their properties and ads in the search "sequence" waaay more than it used to..
scraped, mentioned , posted , usually without permission, on
the web, so we, Google, aren't the guilty scraping it direct ones, we just found it ..wink wink..
There, "I fixed it for them", that is what it ought to say..
| 8:20 pm on Sep 9, 2012 (gmt 0)|
Heh. When I search for "chiefs" on Google.com.au, the image leads to Wikipedia in French. How useful is that to Australians? Fail.
edit: The knowledge graph image, that is.