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Google Updates and SERP Changes - June 2012

 3:40 am on Jun 1, 2012 (gmt 0)

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Traffic from G is down by 30% over this month. 20% from Knowledge Graph day and 10% from Panda.

I changed the site from being static width to fluid width (CSS changes only). I did that around Mid-May. Also moved the members section to a subdomain last week.

Other than that, I've just been adding content to pages which needed it.

Is it even possible that the fluid width change (was originally 990 width) would cause a Panda smack?

My main terms are still the same (although, none are #1 since they lost that ranking in January). It's the terms which usually get 1 or 2 hits which completely disappeared. That made up a big chunk of traffic.

[edited by: tedster at 1:48 pm (utc) on Jun 1, 2012]



 2:05 pm on Jun 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

@tedster, so then we come back to what I said earlier and that is people are getting "lazy" and is using the suggestions instead of thinkig themselves. I haven't checked the search volume but I am pretty sure it is constant or changing very little. The phrase is very common and hasn't changed really over the year(s).
Anyway, are you saying that, which is probably true, the suggestions change all the time and that is causing all sorts of changes? Bing has a thing that shows you what is popular right now in the search box. Maybe Google is trying to do the same now since they seems to be running out of good ideas and just "borrow" ideas (G+) what they can from others or buy other companies?


 4:03 pm on Jun 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

For a title tag that includes age, what would be the best way to write it?

The title tag is in the form Investing in Your 20s, so would it be better to write

Investing in Your 20s or

Investing in Your Twenties



 4:55 pm on Jun 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

We've had a 10% drop in traffic since Thursday afternoon. Anyone else seeing noticeable traffic changes like this?


 6:28 pm on Jun 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

The title tag is in the form Investing in Your 20s, so would it be better to write

Investing in Your 20s or

Investing in Your Twenties

Before you make a decision, you might check out the competition for each term, and also how many searches are done for each one.

Also, as a nitpick, "investing in" is more frequently used in another way, such as "investing in stocks". I think your usage implies something like "investing for retirement" or "investing for the future." It could be confusing to the Google algorithm.


 6:38 pm on Jun 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

are you saying that, which is probably true, the suggestions change all the time and that is causing all sorts of changes

It depends on the exact query phrase - but yes, the suggestions and the order they appear in can do a lot of shifting. In fact, they can also change by location in some cases. It's more like Suggestions Updates are micro-updates, not some major global update at this point in time. It seems to be on auto-pilot tweaking.

I think that Search Suggestions are worth more attention than most site owners are giving them. This is especially true for big traffic keywords - when you rank the same but traffic falls off. It's worth checking out the suggestions. But in order to do that, you need to already have a baseline recorded somewhere.


 1:46 am on Jun 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

I see lot's of parked domains in the index, mainly EMD


 11:31 am on Jun 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

Investing in Your 20s

I would use this as its what is suggested by Google first and is easier to type. But I'd make sure you mentioned the word somewhere on the page as well.

Martin Ice Web

 10:40 am on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Im realy astonished that no one says anything about changes on 21st.
We got hit again with -50%. It was getting much better. But now ALL ecom are gone from 1st page, except, how can it be otherwise, amazon. Is this the slow introduction of the new ad shopping system. To kill all ecom and having them pushed into shopping ads?


 10:49 am on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

The only difference I can see around the 21/6 is an increase in traffic on one of my sites. This site got a real kicking from Penguin and started to get some organic traffic back on the 21st.

None of my other sites showed much of a change though.


 10:53 am on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

@Martin Ice Web

The 21st happened to me too. My results are completely gone from page 1 and traffic has fallen for the second time over the past 4 weeks - see [sorry, the link is not working]

[edited by: tedster at 12:30 pm (utc) on Jun 25, 2012]


 11:05 am on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

@Martin Ice Web on the 21st we actually was a slight increase in traffic and it was our busiest day for July so far, however this was not reflected in conversions.

Are there multiple results from the same site pushing your positions down? This is so widespread now that unless you are above the offending sites it affects your positioning massively.

Some searches were are above the multiple listing sites and stats are unaffected. Others we are unfortunate enough to be below them and it's literally affected us by 20+ positions.

I know of one site which has the whole of page 3 on a particular search and also has 16 of the top 30 on another.

The only pattern I can spot is it's always the same two websites with the multiple listings - one of them is new and the other was severely demoted when Panda first hit.

Martin Ice Web

 11:06 am on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

@paul, ibeau

thanx for your remark. So we are not alone.
The strange thing about thi is, the more we change ( would we think has triggered the filter ) the worse it gets. We put lots of site in robots.txt, we deleted lots of keywords, we rewrote your widget-sites. Non realy non was helping. Meantime I believe that goomazon does not want to have us in serps anymore - only to fill some pages.


 12:27 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I just cannot believe my eyes right now... in the UK the results are next to useless on many searches. Either US sites showing or 20+ results from a single site in the top 30. Seems to be getting worse not better.

@Martin I think possibly something very big did happen on the 21st, only it didn't affect our traffic levels so I didn't notice. Either that or it's hit the UK today.


 12:43 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Note this thread: Penguin Punished URL returned to first page over the weekend [webmasterworld.com]. Several are members reporting Penguin page movement.


 3:45 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Just thought about checking on here as in the last few days for regular searches that have nothing do with my sites, I am getting some very off topic results. I mean with all the complaints on here I usually find the results are still somewhat satisfactory, and usually I can find what I am looking for with a bit of effort.

But today and yesterday when I search for something I am getting results that have nothing to do with what I am looking for. I mean its like apple's and oranges and clearly should not be there and has nothing to do with my query. I don't think I recall a time when Google's results were ever quite this bad.


 4:05 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Lost a lot of traffic today purely because Google replaced tens of our originally written posts with the same content published on a scraper site with no original content and no authority in any way. We have about 6,000 backlinks (with no link building) according to SEO Moz, they have 600. We have the Panda problem only and we've never been hit by Penguin. It's funny that the scraper has put "do follow" backlinks to our original posts on all their pages that outrank us now.


 4:25 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I still see no changes whatsoever. I sent a reconsideration request nearly 4 weeks ago. No reply. Over 50% of the backlinks that I had successfully deleted 6 to 8 weeks ago are still showing cached and listed in WMT. You'd think crawling of the web would be much faster than this in 2012. Nevertheless, I have done a great deal to improve my site and eliminate questionable links. I am optimistic that there will be improvement in the months ahead but I am very frustrated at the sluggish rate that Google is discovering those changes. We're doing our part!


 8:11 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

We appear to be down since the 21st as well, I thought it was due to the football, obviously not, as still down today. In UK.


 9:24 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Panda data refresh happening right now according to @google on Twitter https://twitter.com/google/status/217366321879453696


 9:34 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I knew something had to be going on. We took back a ton of #1 spots in the serps. Hopefully it holds.


 9:34 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

It seems like it was more than just the Panda update, like there was some sort of a link update too.


 9:35 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

When did you start seeing things turn around for you, SnowMan? Just today? Or in previous days?


 10:03 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

This afternoon. G referrals were down over the weekend and this morning. I always check 20 of our biggest referring keywords that used to be #1 a few months ago. Then all of a sudden they were almost all #1 this afternoon. The few that weren't #1 were now #2. I knew something had to of happened, so I came on here and read your post. The weird thing is that the Panda refresh doesn't usually give us a bump on our short tail stuff. I typically see a jump in the long tail and number of keywords found after the update occurs.

We have attracted some high quality links to our pages recently and I figured we would regain some positions lost over the past few months sometime in the future. We have also been building high quality links into useful resources we have been creating as well. That's why it feels like there must have been something more than just a Panda refresh. Feels link related too. Maybe Panda was one of a few updates pushed through around the same time.


 10:15 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

We saw heavy googlebot traffic today (25th) and were hit hard over the weekend- starting once again on Thursday night. Hoping for some sort of recovery, but usually heavy bot traffic does not bode well of late.

We are seeing multiple pages from the same site taking over five or six of the top ten serps and pushing us off the page.



 10:18 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I'm up about 50% hour on hour starting 5am (AEST) - Some context, we got hit in Feb 2011, recovered Jan 2012, got hit again March 2012 & have been hit every update since. No changes made.


 10:23 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

@crobb305 Re:Google's slow rate of removing bad links.
I'm in the same boat, was able to cajole some webmasters into removing some bad links but they still remain in WMT, even in cases when the site no longer exists (domain has expired).

I think what happens is a combination of Google not willing to let these link-related penalties to expire too quickly and the fact that the sites you're removing them from are almost always bad sites - link farms, scrapers etc. I think it's quite possible that Google has a very slow crawl rate set for bad sites and therefore it will take them a lo-o-ong time to re-crawl all the pages they saw your links at, re-index them and confirm that the links are, in fact, gone.

Most of the removed links have started to disappear from WMT right around that 8 weeks mark, although even at 12 wks you can still see "some" pages from those sites still show. Most bad links are sitewide (in my case they are, anyhow) and things start to look up when you see the number of links from bad sites get to 25-30% of the original amount. I would not be surprised if it will take them year(s) to recognize removal of all 100% of those links because there may be cases when they cannot re-crawl a page that had your link on it, so they cannot know the link no longer exists.


 10:32 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hi 1script. There must be a way to speed it up. Have you tried pointing links at the pages where the URL used to be to force google into spidering / dropping them?


 10:42 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

@Jez123: understand what you are saying from the technical stand point but business-wise it would be a rather strange thing to do: I need to spend my time and resources to prop up other people's sites with links. Besides, many of those sites are pretty bad, ranging from auto-blogs to scrapers and link farms and anything in between. Where would I even begin to find links to those kinds of sites except to resort to spamming myself? Anyhow, just by the virtue of you trying to remove links from a site, that site must not be really worth any of your time and other valuable resources, so you kind of going to have to accept whatever crawl rate Google's got for them.


 10:50 pm on Jun 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

For people whose sites have been dropping from serps, what do your search queries look like? I'm just trying to see a pattern and work out similarities between sites. Here's mine - [i45.tinypic.com...]


 12:05 am on Jun 26, 2012 (gmt 0)

@ibeau, I was just looking at it in WMT and trying to understand it fully when you posted your image.
I don't have the same ups and dows as you have. It's pretty much the same over time but what is interesting is that they must round up the numbers since they are lamost the same with a variance of about 500. The queries (number of?) goes up a couple of thousand and the hits go up, the queries goes down and the hits go down, alway an even number. So, my "red line" is almost flat lined.
Also interesting in that part of WMT is that if I am not on the first page, I get no clicks at all, which means people find what they are looking for on the first page, right? I am not sure where to post my picture of the graph so you can see it and compare :(


 1:31 am on Jun 26, 2012 (gmt 0)

It seems like it was more than just the Panda update, like there was some sort of a link update too.

I was expecting a Penguin refresh since they seem to be happening about once a month and about due about now, didn't expected a Panda update so soon.

One of my site has seen increase in conversion today so I knew something was up. Site has been untouched for at least 6 months and all of the sudden today conversions are way up.

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