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WMT message that search clicks have decreased: Now What?
Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 8:21 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hi there, Everyone:

So I got a message in Web mater Tools today that basically tells me what I already know: my rankings and traffic have tanked.

Search results clicks for [yourdomain.com...] have decreased significantly.

Details

Message ID: 5X123456789. Please include this ID in any messages you post in our Help forum.


So what exactly should I do?

Does google suggest I go to the google webmaster help forums and create a post with my message ID?

If I do that, will an actual googler look up the message ID and let me know what I should do?

Or will it just be the same old gang of regular posters on their forum offering marginal advice that may or may not have anything to do with reality?

And has anybody who has received one of these messages actually been able to get any actionable advice from it?

Thanks in advance.

 

Andy Langton

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 8:56 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

I had that message recently for one particular site - in that instance, the message itself was several weeks late.

IMO, the message is an "alert" to tell you something's up, but it is not, in itself, actionable. As you say, you should know already that this is happening!

Whether you'd get goof advice with the message ID posting route, I would be rather sceptical.

Personally, I would follow a more general route to diagnosing the problem:

- Identify the cause of the drop - if it's Google traffic, which keywords and landing pages are affected?
- Is it a position drop, CTR drop or both?
- Look at the competing sites - did you get beaten by new or stronger competitors, or did you do something yourself that harmed performance?

The better you pin down the cause, the more actions you can take. Assuming you have the data at your disposal!

Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 9:08 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

Thank you, Andy Langton.

I'll try and analyze it. Unfortunately, it looks like things kind of dropped across the board, as opposed to one or two or three keywords.

Oddly enough, there are a few pages that doubled or even tripled in traffic, despite having what I would consider primarily "thin" content.

Thanks again.

agent_x



 
Msg#: 4437205 posted 9:10 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

I don't think there's anything you're meant to be able to do with these messages, they're just Google's attempt at the 2012 award for the ability to point out the bleedin' obvious.

Andy Langton

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 9:15 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

Remember that while it's keywords that drive traffic, it's the landing pages that facilitate that so looking at landing pages is usually better than looking at keywords. For ranking drops (and if your analytics allows it) I would start looking at:

Google
- Landing page
- Keywords for those pages

It's also worth a check in Webmaster Tools for CTR/rankings, and your own ranking data/CTR calculations if the data's there.

Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 10:59 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

Thanks again, Andy:

I would start looking at:

Google
- Landing page
- Keywords for those pages


that was the first thing I looked at... or should I say, TRIED to look at.

Unfortunately, up to 505 of the keywords are obscured because google has hidden the referring keyword 9since apparently the visitor was signed into their google account and were thus using the https server).

Well, back to the drawing board.

Andy Langton

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 11:36 pm on Apr 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

Remember that landing pages can't be obscured, so at the very least you should be able to see if it's individual pages, sections or categories that are affected. It all helps, even if performance drops can be a bit disheartening to try to figure out.

gyppo

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 12:38 am on Apr 5, 2012 (gmt 0)

I got the opposite message to say that my clicks had increased greatly for a specific term. Next day I lost 30% in the latest Panda run (oh how ironic).

rlopes

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 2:16 am on Apr 7, 2012 (gmt 0)

This is just the WMT employees trying to show work... :|

Andy Langton

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 11:05 am on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

As a quick addition to this thread, I managed to fix the problem in two instances. I doubt these are typical, but might make reasonable examples for some trying to troubleshoot:

In one case, the problem was with CTR for a particular URL. This was diagnosed by a check on rankings vs traffic (you can use Webmaster Tools for a basic idea of this, although the data is far too limited really). The cause was an issue with snippets which was decreasing CTR. Near instant recovery once the snippet was fixed.

In the second instance, there was a decrease in rankings across a number of pages. This was a DNS problem - the site in question redirects to drop the www subdomain. The www DNS record was faulty, which meant the site looked like it had lost thousands of links. This recovery is ongoing!

Hope this might give someone some new ideas on places to check when you get this rather vague message in GWT :)

Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 2:48 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

Thank you again, Andy.

The cause was an issue with snippets which was decreasing CTR.


By that, do you mean the site was using rich snippets (something I am only vaguely familiar with)?

Or do you mean something else?

Thanks in advance.

scooterdude



 
Msg#: 4437205 posted 3:42 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

erm how do you deploy rich snppets ?

netmeg

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 4:24 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

Take a look at schema dot org.

If you're using a CMS, there have been some plugins that will help with it. We ended up coding them right into the page templates, and boy howdy, do they seem to make a difference.

scooterdude



 
Msg#: 4437205 posted 4:35 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

Ahh now I see, Oh my goodness, thanks a bunch netmeg, some how missed out on that


crikey, loads to catch up here !

bobsc

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 7:36 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

We ended up coding them right into the page templates, and boy howdy, do they seem to make a difference.

"Difference" as far as what? Ranking?

I've NOT noticed a difference.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 10:14 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

I already had good rankings. But the display really stands out in the SERPs, and traffic is running just under twice what it was last year.

bobsc

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 10:41 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

But the display really stands out in the SERPs, and traffic is running just under twice what it was last year.

You actually have a rich snippet? For what type?

It's not easy to get rich snippets for products UNLESS you're amazon(big brands).

scooterdude



 
Msg#: 4437205 posted 11:58 pm on Apr 8, 2012 (gmt 0)

Rich snippets a bit more coding then it'll probably does something terrible to hard won html validation, and for sites like mine extra processing, speed loss, but if the SE's love it , hmm

Must give it a shot on one experimental site

icedowl

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 3:22 am on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

@netmeg, do you have to make any changes to your CSS file (that is if you use one)? I'm still trying to wrap my head around rich snippets.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 3:36 am on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

This is kind of OT for this post, but no, nothing to do with CSS, and yes, I have rich snippets on every site (my own and for clients) that I've implemented them. Events on my sites, and products on my clients. It's really not that difficult when you put your mind to it.

I can't say it improves ranking (as far as I know) but it does seem to help with click through, and at the very least, I really like how it looks.

My event stuff shows up great; I've just adding a rating / review capability and hope that will eventually show up too. You don't have to be a big site to have snippets shown, and you don't even have to be in the first couple results. You just have to implement it correctly.

icedowl

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 5:34 am on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

@netmeg, thanks! I have been suffering like the OP and am going to give these a try. I could use a click through increase.

bobsc

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 7:54 am on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

You don't have to be a big site to have snippets shown...

Well, I disagree on that.
For "my" products Google ONLY shows rich snippets for "big brand" sites - Competitive market.

netmeg

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 2:26 pm on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

Yea, I only compete with Amazon and Staples, so I probably don't get it.

Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 3:57 pm on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

Yea, I only compete with Amazon and Staples, so I probably don't get it.


But... I thought the netmeg rule was NOT to try and compete against amazon and staples...

<sigh> I am missing something obvious again...

netmeg

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 4:17 pm on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

No, the netmeg rule is to compete where you can win. My client doesn't sell EVERYTHING that Amazon and Staples sell, but on the products we do carry, we win.

[edited by: netmeg at 4:17 pm (utc) on Apr 9, 2012]

Planet13

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Msg#: 4437205 posted 4:17 pm on Apr 9, 2012 (gmt 0)

Ahh... Thanks.

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