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I got a natural link and Google penalised me immediately
scooterdude




msg:4431064
 11:06 pm on Mar 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Amazing , Some dude read one of my sites, appreciated the info an gave me a link

How did I find out, Google Google referals which had been recovering curtailed sharply an I was scrutinizing my logs looking for, ,,

Ah well, thanks google :)

 

tedster




msg:4431131
 3:23 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Are you sure the timing is that exact... that coordinated? "Immediately" sounds like it really couldn't be cause and effect to me.

scooterdude




msg:4431150
 4:00 am on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

No I am not certain, however last changes to site where more than a month ago,following which referals improved, I stopped all link building a year ago after similar events, perhaps I am mistaken

miozio




msg:4431362
 3:35 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Even if you stopped link building in the 20th century, you have not cleaned up the mess yet.

scooterdude




msg:4431373
 4:18 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

What mess is that? my historical link building was solely directory and article directory submssion plus some largely unsuccessful link begging

Plus some of the links are from the highest cadre of directory on the web, think botw, yahoo,dmoz,,,

Ok, i may have indulged in a few web 2.0 profiles here an there , but they was tasteful content :)
(so no claim to perfection)

miozio




msg:4431378
 4:28 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

I would highly recommend reading this forum as I see you are new to this Google SEO world! "directory and article directory submission" They call it inorganic links and they destroy your site on Google! These are not my assumptions, those are facts! I've been struggling with this issue since October 2011, my thread is here: [webmasterworld.com...]

mhansen




msg:4431386
 4:40 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

@ScooterDude -

I think it must have been something more than just that link. Maybe the timing just aligned with some other algo adjustment at the same time?

@ Miozio

We are successful using both article marketing and directory submissions as a part of our overall marketing plan. I think its a pretty broad brushstroke to use, painting it all black like that.

Directories - We stay niche focused, relevant, and manual. We also do reciprocal links when we find one that will be useful to our visitors.

Articles - We go one to one and ask webmasters to use our expert content regularly. Rarely are we turned away.

Sure, there is plenty of bad out there when you start talking about using automated tools to do these things, but high quality directories related to your market, and high quality articles written to the readers of the site you are writing for, is not bad in our opinion.

MH

martinacastro




msg:4431439
 6:41 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

@scooterdude if you visit Google Webmaster Forum you will see many webmaster with unnatural link messages from G and most of the examples that they gave are links from articles sites...

scooterdude




msg:4431447
 7:00 pm on Mar 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Thanks martina, I am aware of those issues , nevertheless, these older links where acquired when years ago when this was ok, Actually, the articles used to bring in great traffic an I took a lot of care in producing them, ah well

Anyway, I am well aware that things change, that which was acceptable 2/3 years ago when the links where acquired are today beyond the Google pale

As for the new link, which is what this thread is about, Here is the thing, with their current mindset, how do they reliably distiguish natural from requested link ?

Do they say ohh look, this site had directory submissions in the past, this new link also must be un organic zappp :)

linkbuildr




msg:4431819
 6:32 pm on Mar 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

When you're #*$!ing your content are you asking for a specific anchor text? If so then boom, against TOS.

scooterdude




msg:4431821
 6:35 pm on Mar 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

I don't ask for links, and what do you mean TOS ?

When you're #*$!ing your content are you asking for a specific anchor text? If so then boom, against TOS.

mrguy




msg:4431827
 6:39 pm on Mar 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

When you're #*$!ing your content are you asking for a specific anchor text? If so then boom, against TOS.

Goes to show just how brain washed Google has people.

webgames247




msg:4431843
 7:16 pm on Mar 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

just a myth...imagine how many links CNN received per day; when there is a breaking news?

Sgt_Kickaxe




msg:4431932
 12:44 am on Mar 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

Not a myth, at least not for new sites. If you're in a competitive niche check your GWT for incoming links from a bunch of spammy domains. No trust + part of a spam circle = trouble right from the start.

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