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Did we see another Panda interation Sept 16-18 or so?
tedster




msg:4364391
 6:40 pm on Sep 19, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm hearing some reports of site-wide ranking demotions over the weekend that have a similar pattern to what we saw with Panda. That is, lots of keywords affected, but the demotions are not at all uniform the way we often see in a site-wide penalty.

Has anyone else seen something like this recently? How about (we can hope) any improvement in rankings for a previously Pandalized site?

 

Sgt_Kickaxe




msg:4364865
 4:45 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Last week I noticed that my inbound links dropped by 90% according to GWT and this morning my traffic is reduced by 50% although I did retain my top rankings on my hardest earned keywords.

It looks like LESS links are being deemed worthy and so your rankings drop depends on how dependent you were on those links for you rankings.

LOSS OF SPECIAL RESULTS The search results look oddly cleaner in my niche. ask.com, yahoo answers and ehow are all newcomers so I'm not referring to quality but I've lost my "special" rankings (ie: multiple pages linked) so there are more sites above the fold now.

walkman




msg:4364888
 5:32 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

So is it Panda or not? Something has changed.

Dot_Media




msg:4364890
 5:38 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

I am just not seeing anything that indicates a panda update. No sudden change in impressions (GWT), no sudden shift in traffic (Analytics) and no massive crawl spike (GWT). All three have been present in past updates.

However there was a massive crawl spike a few weeks ago but nothing happened then either. Maybe the site is out of panda and all the changes have lead to a lower ranking? doubtful, still at a 60% drop from pre-panda levels.

mhansen




msg:4364897
 5:47 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Although were seeing less traffic to several local-focused sites, it looks like the 7-pack is not showing as much. Several 2-3 word phrases we track are no longer spawning the map and 7-pack, but instead... 3-4 organics, then the local listings (not a 7-pack though)

I can say with 100% certainty that there is a change in the way it calls places results into the general serp's. Maybe a precursor for tomorrows meeting? Link [webmasterworld.com]

MH

explorador




msg:4364900
 5:54 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

So is it Panda or not? Something has changed.

Something is going on, 15sept is a special date in my country so the traffic is very low around that day, but since 14 sept to this day the traffic went up an unusual 27% on the same site that went up since first Panda.

Anyway, this increase of traffic is not affecting the Adsense Earnings. This happened in the past, like it was some different kind of traffic. That time it lasted a week and a half I think, then it reverted (traffic) and the conversions were as good as before again.

[edited by: explorador at 5:57 pm (utc) on Sep 20, 2011]

walkman




msg:4364901
 5:54 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

I can say with 100% certainty that there is a change in the way it calls places results into the general serp's. Maybe a precursor for tomorrows meeting? Link [webmasterworld.com]

WOW! That could very well make sense. If true, Holy freaking cow! It could show how a small change can cause a traffic jump. Traffic that it's still way less than it should be of course, but we'll take it.


Can't wait till the rest of jingles are taken out and ads labeled clearly as ads: Traffic jumps on average 214% %, everyone opens a thread to wonder W*H happened... ;)

[edited by: walkman at 5:57 pm (utc) on Sep 20, 2011]

zeus




msg:4364902
 5:57 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

are you seeing changes from today

mhansen




msg:4364911
 6:12 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Off topic - did WebmasterWorld just install a new text editor, like within a few minutes ago?

are you seeing changes from today


Yes, the changes seem to have taken hold on the local 7-pack within the last day or two at best.

Test it... "cityname locksmith" (Something that has gotten a LOT of attention lately) shows a mix off generic serp's plus local listings mixed in, but no 7-pack, no Google Places package.

cityname landscaper, cityname plumber... all the same, no more Google places listings.

2-3 general serp listings
7-10 map pin listings, but not a normal Google Places 7-pack.

Dot_Media




msg:4364912
 6:16 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

i agree. since you posted i've been pounding on local intent queries and have yet to see a 7-pack.

tedster




msg:4364913
 6:24 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

It's possible that as we go along, Panda iterations will show less and less obvious impact to most websites. After all, the early "verdicts" were already passed and it would take a major shift in Panda's logic to have another major disruption that gets many webmaster's buzzing.

wwconnect




msg:4364987
 9:36 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

I just searched "nearest major city locksmith" and I still get the seven pack both signed in and signed out.

AlyssaS




msg:4364993
 9:45 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

What mhansen said.

When I search for mycity locksmith I get

3 adwords listings
3 organic serps
7 map pin listings
4 organic serps

One thing of interest - there is a Google map in the right sidebar - but as you scroll down, the map moves down too, obliterating the adwords listings in the right sidebar!

tedster




msg:4364994
 9:52 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Folks, this thread is about whether Panda was just run again, not Local 7-packs. mhansen started a new thread to discuss the changes in when 7-packs get triggered: [webmasterworld.com...]

johnhh




msg:4365007
 10:24 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

No changes here - but slight sales increase so maybe more targeted results. Suggest that this run, if it exists, affects a minority of sites through normal flux, the BIG one has yet to run.

Note a major Panda run is now, according to me overdue.

Tedster - can we have the thread with the Panda run dates back, or is there a reason it was deleted or moved. As I can't see it.

shallow




msg:4365022
 10:52 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm still deep in the dog house with Google.

There was a 50% drop in traffic and Adsense earnings following Panda, then a slight recovery. But since August, my site has been down 60% compared to the same time period last year.

I've had some pretty knowledgeable people look at my site and they can't put their finger on the problem.

It is very discouraging, to say the least.

johnhh




msg:4365027
 10:59 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

@shallow Understand - I have dragged people out of retirement, who are way over my pay grade, they can't work it out either. However it's just a machine, but my guess is the data collection started in Oct 2010, and what we are seeing is machine intelligence gone wrong.

Remember HAL...

ken_b




msg:4365031
 11:18 pm on Sep 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

johnhh

Panda Run Dates [webmasterworld.com]
.

gehrlekrona




msg:4365044
 12:05 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I noticed a little bit more ttraffic then "usual", whatever usual is nowadays, during the weekend. Today it's down again so who knows with Google? We are all nothing but guessing and if you ask me,then we willnever be able to figure out what they are doing. It seems like alot of sites don't give a **** about what Google is doing and they are pretty high in the results, so what gives.

jeremyja




msg:4365047
 12:22 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

My site has completely disappeared from Google on 16. september. Not banned, "just" lost rankings so I can't find it anywhere for any keywords... Even for those where I had 1. page.

It's terrible, that's my first site only 2 months old, and I have no idea what I did wrong and what to do now :(

Whitey




msg:4365057
 12:58 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Update: Google told me, "There was no update in the past couple days. The most recent update was in August, when we rolled out the algorithm change internationally to most languages." [seroundtable.com...]

Zivush




msg:4365110
 4:46 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I can't put my finger on it but Google made an "experiment" between the 16th and 20th.

whatson




msg:4365117
 4:59 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I can't see any changes and usually see some of my sites move in each update, so IMO not a panda a panda update but also agree it must be overdue

tristanperry




msg:4365140
 6:27 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Actually I think something *has* changed, but I don't think it's Panda.

One of my sites (the one I mentioned earlier - which seen traffic rises for each Panda, a couple of times ~30% traffic rises) hasn't changed when it comes to traffic.

However a few of my other ones (fairly new, very little traffic) have started receiving a small-but-steady amount of traffic as of 2-3 days ago. I have also been promoting them a bit so it could just be coincidence, but it does seem like it could be as the result of a Google update of some sort.

freejung




msg:4365143
 6:57 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm not noticing any changes, either in my rankings or the sites around me. Usually with previous Pandas there has been at least some shuffling, so I'll buy that it hasn't run yet.

tutu




msg:4365239
 9:47 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

All the way,we should provide good content for our site,and give it good link.

sanjuu




msg:4365249
 10:23 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Have seen a UK site that was already hit by panda hit hard again yesterday (Tuesday) and has lost a lot of page one rankings.

mikeavery11




msg:4365278
 11:18 am on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I didn't informed before something similar like your problem. I have learned lot of tips from this sharing. Thanks everybody.

reseller




msg:4365313
 12:58 pm on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts was asked yesterday on Twitter [twitter.com]:

"Is there a new and potentially big update on the horizon? Seems things are a bit weird on the SERPs at the mo..."

And Matt Cutts replied:

"AFAIK nothing too crazy right now. It's hard to predict which of 500+ algo updates/year will attract attention though."

suggy




msg:4365324
 1:13 pm on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Not that hard to predict though, is it Matt...? It's the S#!T ones!

walkman




msg:4365325
 1:19 pm on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

"AFAIK nothing too crazy right now. It's hard to predict which of 500+ algo updates/year will attract attention though."

Looks like he has gotten down the GoogleySpeak very well. Matt is apparently in Washington...talking about spam and title tags to US Senators. [mercurynews.com...]

Not that hard to predict though, is it Matt...? It's the S#!T ones!

Suggy, remember how many webmasters are /were wary of changing something that works for fear of breaking it? Google is the same, Panda rocked...for them!

affiliation




msg:4365343
 1:53 pm on Sep 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm hearing some reports of site-wide ranking demotions over the weekend that have a similar pattern to what we saw with Panda
A keyword that I had put a little work in chasing was hit last Friday, the top sites that have replaced page one are the wordpress type sites that were dropped around May / June, pretty poor content sites.
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