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Google Panda 2.4 - now in all languages!

 11:57 am on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Google Panda 2.4 rolled out, now with all languages ! (except chinese, japanese and korean)


Today we’re continuing that effort by rolling out our algorithmic search improvements in different languages. Our scientific evaluation data show that this change improves our search quality across the board and the response to Panda from users has been very positive.

For most languages, this change impacts typically 6-9% of queries to a degree that a user might notice. This is distinctly lower than the initial launch of Panda, which affected almost 12% of English queries to a noticeable amount. We are launching this change for all languages except Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, where we continue to test improvements.

For sites that are affected by this algorithmic change, we have a post providing guidance on how Google searches for high-quality sites. We also have webmaster forums in many languages for publishers who wish to give additional feedback and get advice. We’ll continue working to do the right thing for our users and serve them the best results we can.



 1:19 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Did it roll out yet? Or will it happen during today?


 1:28 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

And according to Vanessa Fox's post on SEL, this rollout also includes a few minor changes to the English version of Panda.


 1:28 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

The post doesn't tell... I'm wondering too if its going out today or if it had already been activated some days ago without telling.


 1:54 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Let´s start with tests!


 2:39 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

I am already seeing 20-30% traffic down in most sites!


 2:41 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ziajunu: In what language is your site ?


 3:28 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ckissi: In English.
I am sure high traffic pandalized sites will notice the change right now and low traffic sites will notice tomorrow.


 3:47 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

I can report this has happened and at least taken immediate effect on my site. In medical terms, I'm pretty much flat lining at this point. My site sucked, not denying that but I enjoyed the Philippines traffic for a few months. Moving on folks! Panda is sudden that's for sure. It's not a slow painful death. It's a sudden strike. At least this time I knew it was coming and no surprise. I will do something with this site and I will report back to see what effect if any my strategy has on regaining respect in the eyes of Google.


 3:58 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ziajunu,@MrSavage: I simply don't understand this. My site is in English too. And search queries are in English. So why we were affected with this ?
They said this is panda update "for other languages"


 4:10 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

and the response to Panda from users has been very positive.

I wonder what they are users of.

As for being language specific this implies either a) they were testing for response from a language based demographic or, more likely, b) the text on page is evaluated against... something.


 4:25 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

It's way too early to say for sure, but it looks like I had a traffic increase of ~15% starting yesterday around noon. It's not much, but it's a heck of a lot better than anything that's happened since the pandemonium started.

However, I'm taking that with a grain of salt, because there was a corresponding increase in traffic from Bing and Yahoo at the same time. So it's entirely possible that it's just a coincidence, and what happened was that I got a really good link some time in the last week or so. That's the problem with having such a limited dataset, you really can't control your variables.

Whatever it is, I'll take it!


 4:31 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ckissi, I can say my guess is that a LOT of people in the philippines use English when searching. Either that or AWSTATS is totally wrong about where my traffic is coming from. But it's not wrong because I now have a ghost town of a website. Also the adsense money indicated to me that the ads were... in the pennies.


 4:39 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@MrSavage: What I don't understand is the fact that my traffic dropped by 28% today.
1. My site is in English
2. All search queries I rank for are in English too (of course)
They say this last update affects sites for all other languages (so non English sites)
If this is true why my traffic from e.g Philippines dropped by 35% today ?


 4:47 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ckissi, I don't think anybody is saying that this affected only queries in other languages. It's likely that G rolled out a Panda update like the ones we've seen before, in which the algo was tweaked and you would expect to see changes in English. This algo was also rolled out in other languages at the same time. That's what they did when they rolled Panda out to non-US English searches.


 4:52 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

...the response to Panda from users has been very positive.

Just did a search while researching an article and the top result yielded a page with all ads (4 ads, in fact) above the fold. As for content above the fold, zero.


 4:57 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Happened at 8pm on the 10th actually. Saw a HUGE and very clear drop in traffic across the tens of thousands of sites that send our affiliate network traffic. Went from 1.5 million requests per hour to about 600K and never recovered.


 5:00 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

...the response to Panda from users has been very positive.

Isn't it well known that...

1) Happy users generally do not provide much feedback on anything -- it's primarily unsatisfied users that are squeaky.
2) Google is very difficult to get in contact with.

So where did this positive feedback come from and how large was the sample?


 5:12 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@freejung, or anyone who's seen an increase in SEO traffic as of yesterday: Are you using Google Analytics? If so, was your increase in traffic also accompanied by a steep decline in Pages per Visit and Time on Site?

I saw SEO traffic jump 30% starting at 10am PST yesterday (8/11), but PPV dropped almost 50%. Apparently, Google Analytics changed the way sessions are calculated and others have reported similar traffic and engagement fluctuations: [analytics.blogspot.com...] (see comments).

I'm thinking my recent spike in SEO traffic might have nothing to do with this Panda update, and everything to do with GA updates.



 5:17 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Yes and yes. Dang.

Edit to add: yep, I should have double-checked the stats against server logs. There was no significant increase yesterday, although this week does seem to be just slightly higher than last week, not beyond normal fluctuation.

[edited by: freejung at 5:26 pm (utc) on Aug 12, 2011]


 5:24 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@jeremypost: seeing the same thing at my site :/


 5:48 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Another weird thing...
Traffic from:

1. India... +3%
2. Philippines... -37%
3. Indonesia... -28%
4. US... -16%
5. Pakistan... +9%
6. Malaysia... +11%
7. Germany... -42%

To me it looks like a chaos! . If the site is wrong according to new panda algo update... Why its ok for India but not ok for philippines ?!
Can anybody explain ?


 6:30 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

yesterday traffic from google +30%, yahoo +10%, bing+10%, if this is due to GA update, shall all 3 have the same change?


 6:36 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

@grimmer We're seeing a similar distro on Google, Yahoo, Bing increases. The big reason I think this is a GA session issue is because the % New Visits is the only place we saw incremental change. Even though we saw 30% overall lift in SEO, % New Visits was flat, while % Return Visits was up 162%. Seems like GA is resetting the session on the second pageview and dumping those bogus visits into SEO channels.

Just too fishy to be a true lift from Panda, IMO.


 9:06 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

absolute: [sistrix.de...]
relative (losers only): [sistrix.de...]


 9:09 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

Absolutely astounding. My main site got hit in Panda 1. As part of the recovery efforts we started posting all new, lower-quality user created content to a different website. That website got hit a month later.

Now, without doing anything different, the low-quality site has recovered with this update. The only thing I can read into this is that Google doesn't know what they are doing.


 9:18 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

From what I have seen in my niche it looks good for online shops, bad for shopping comparison sites - especially those which were notorious for creating sites for products and brands they did not even have listed.


 9:57 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

the response to Panda from users has been very positive

1) Happy users generally do not provide much feedback on anything -- it's primarily unsatisfied users that are squeaky.
2) Google is very difficult to get in contact with.

So where did this positive feedback come from and how large was the sample?

Exactly my thoughts when I read the Google statement earlier today.

In my wildest imagination [and clearly influenced by the progress of my "attitude (altitude?) adjustment" hour now in progress]: Google allows a reputable international opinion research company to conduct an independent, valid, scientific survey of Google search users immediately after the completion of their search. Participants are captured by the use of a floating "take our survey" box that appears immediately after that search users results for their final query appear. The sample is sufficiently large and diverse enough to provide an international measure of user satisfaction with the Google search results. Other data also would be gathered.

Knowing that Google will never allow anyone to independently survey their users without being able to influence the results, my second wildest thought is that several (well, maybe more than several) well-heeled mega-sites that have been Pandalized agree to sponsor such a survey. To obtain a sufficiently large and diverse sample, they create a "survey widget", which all major websites, as well as webmasters everywhere, place on their websites. The survey results cannot be influenced by any sponsoring or participating company, and are published in their entirely for all to see.

Back to the "adjustment" hour.


 10:13 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

i have not seen much difference, but I do get more visits from Yahoo also.


 11:04 pm on Aug 12, 2011 (gmt 0)

off - So, they have released the monster in the World, i think i will open a beer.

An small .com site of a friend has been pandalized on 10th Aug, he has no clue.

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