One thing to think about:
daniweb.com was sort of the "poster child" of Panda victimization, so starting in late Februrary, I am sure that lots of sites started mentioning (and linking to) daniweb.com, since they were using it as an example of what happens to a website hit by Panda.
So there is the possibility that much of the notoriety that was generated since late February played a part in the recovery.
Just a thought...
They have less ads above the fold now..in fact just the one ..when they were hit they had an ad in the header ..and the 300x250 box at the right ..now they just have the 300x250..nav and content area is about the same as it was..proportion of adspace above the fold is half of what it was ..
Its not the only reason for a panda hit ..but it is large part of the difference between those who were and those who were not ..( and claims of "but my site runs/doesn't run loads of ads above the fold and was or was not hit : has or has not recovered don't count unless we have a visible before and after of the actual site rather than some posters say so ) ..the before of daniweb was there for all who wanted to see ( and who didnt deny that large proportions of obtrusive ads , particularly above the fold were a part of panda )..the after is also now available to .see.
The difference is flagrant..they did other things ..and they toned down and cut back on the ads..especially above the fold.
panda 2.3 rolled out from what I am hearing in other places.
This is what she had to say on G forums:
Per Daniweb -
|Just a quick status update. It appears as if our traffic suddenly returned to normal over this past weekend, just as quick as it disappeared back in February. It is still to early to tell, since Monday is only half over, but it is looking like it is coming back even stronger than ever. Nearly all of the big changes I've made have been documented here and in the WebProNews video interview I gave back in May: www.webpronews.com/daniweb-google-panda-2011-05 ... There were no big changes made immediately before the site came back, with the exception of a significant increase in my Google AdWords budget. .... |
...I mentioned AdWords because we use it heavily to increase registrations, which directly results in an increase in posts per day. If there was a correlation, then it was a sudden increase in new content followed the penalty reversal.
Perhaps the next poster child for Adwords.
BTW, Leosghost - I still see two ads above fold. One in header and one in sidebar.
So was it Panda 2.3 or the changes daniweb made that caused the recovery?
Lots of talk about 2.3 being a rollback.
Only you can decide and believe what you want to believe.
I firmly believe that it was the panda 2.3 update and nothing more. I explained more in another thread here before I found out about the panda 2.3 update: [webmasterworld.com...]
My second to last post on that page.
@mslina2002.. nope, the image thing in the header ( below the drop down nav bar ) on the home page..and ( above the "select the forums etc" with the arrows ) is now nav to other parts/articles of their site ..previously there was also adsense/other ads served from there...
That is not to say that if an SE's perception of traffic can be affected by using adwords that would be another "factor" ..albeit a very sleazy way of "encouraging" adwords spending if it were demonstrable, or proven to be the case..
@1EightT ..I read your post..prior to my posting above in this thread..in your sector it may well be the case that "it" ( your change ) is all down to another iteration of panda..although I have some stuff in what could generally be described as the finance sector , I was not touched by panda there or elsewhere and so have not been paying attention to what happened to those below me in specific serps areas..unless they have been specifically drawn to my attention by others..either via stickies here or contact outside of WebmasterWorld.
|That is not to say that if an SE's perception of traffic can be affected by using adwords that would be another "factor" ..albeit a very sleazy way of "encouraging" adwords spending if it were demonstrable, or proven to be the case.. |
Sleazy is one day to put it. Illegal and unethical might be another one. Google should make this clear, 100% clear, because it stinks.
|They have less ads above the fold now..in fact just the one ..when they were hit they had an ad in the header ..and the 300x250 box at the right ..now they just have the 300x250..nav and content area is about the same as it was..proportion of adspace above the fold is half of what it was .. |
I noticed that too but I have done just the opposite and loaded my site up for bear with ads, thanks to a Google adsense email that told me to. If I get pandalized for adding ads when Google told me I should then I think I'll want an answer in small claims. In other words I doubt ads had much to do with it as evidenced by the fact I'm not losing rank, yet.
Disclaimer: I have no intention of suing Google, we have all wanted to at some point or another which is normal. I also have no intention of leaving my site loaded with ads, the non-performers will be history in short order :-)
Yikes, for kicks I just compared my site to the daniweb site on that quancast page linked in the first post, using the compare feature, and my graph looks the same. I got Pandalized and have just recovered! (which is news to me)
|supercyberbob wrote: |
Lots of talk about 2.3 being a rollback.
It's not, unfortunately. I've seen no recovery for any of my company's impacted websites. One or two of our other sites may have seen a slight boost, but they're not our priority websites—they don't get as much attention from us—which continues to baffle me.
It was Panda 2.3 that caused Daniweb to recover.
All my sites came back completely, and lots more 2X pre-panda traffic levels - all on the 22nd/23rd.
I did nothing to any of them - and I felt they should not have been caught as it was all unique content, high user engagement, great looking site etc. But they were large sites, and those seems to struggle being "classified" by the Panda algo - they said they had work to do on the sites that fall inbetween obvious high quality or low quality.
I think Panda 2.3 introduces some new signals to better classify sites - and my sites (and daniweb) have merely been put into the high quality side this time.
Swanson, were you sites all originally affected in February or in subsequent panda rollouts?
I'm wondering if this is the first 'rerun' for those sites first assessed in february only.
Just trying to be optimistic - we lost most traffic april 12th and I'm hoping panda hasn't been rerun for these sites yet!