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Let's Post Our Panda Solutions - Things That Have Worked

 11:13 am on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

I, like probably many of you have looked through this forum for answers of what we can do to recover from this Panda 2.2 update.

The truth is I am seeing an awful lot of “we have lost this and lost that” and very little of “we did this and got better” results.

I thought it may be an idea to restrict one thread to “Things That Have Worked” whilst we all experiment with content, links and everything else.

Let’s leave all the other chat to other posts, and if you have found something that gave you some sort of return form Panda 2.2 then lets post it here.

I will start will some small gains.

My losses consisted of many pages losing 5 to 10 places for key terms. I.e. first to second page rankings, across the board leading to a 30% traffic reduction. But not huge rankings loses that have been reported from other members.

I noticed I had a big issue with existing “SUPPORTING” pages no longer being cached within Google’s index (or appeared not to be) around a third of my site. I got this message when clicking on the cached link per each page. (My key pages that had most rankings still were cached.)

Your search - cache: Mysitepage: Did not match any documents.

At first I thought Google had an issue with my SUPPORTING content, so I moved this section (around 2000 pages to a subdomain, all handwritten over a long period, but in honesty probably lacks real data).

These SUPPORTING pages also did not cache after 3 weeks (only a very small quality were cached).

What I Did
3 days ago, I went into webmaster tools and increased the crawl rate for these supporting pages and in 3 days have seen a dramatic increase in how many pages now show as cached.

As all these pages had important internal links throughout the site to my KEY pages, I believe I am now regaining these internal links to my KEY pages .(or as now on a subdomain these may now be classed as external links to my KEY pages ).

Sure enough this morning I saw not a full return, but saw several KEY pages return back to first page status. There are still around 50% of these supporting pages to be cached, so I keep finders crossed for further gains.

I had also added links from my home page deeper into key pages that had been linked from internal pages, but does not account for all the improvements just some.

This is not a full return but a big enough indicator, for me to understand maybe if it was the quality of content, moving it to another subdomain has helped.

But also there is still a lot of uncached information out there and I do not think we will see the full status until all pages within google are rechached under Panda.

Of course this is all just my opinion only, even if you disagree with my comments and have your own solutions please post them here.



 3:56 am on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Suggy how are you doing for the following? (pre vs post)

1) "Brand X Design Y"
2) "Design Y Brand X"
3) "Brand X Type A"
4) "Type A Brand X"

I would think that searches with "Brand X" are more competitive and primary for your page than those without them (Design Y Type A).


 3:59 am on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

clickinc, hope you break this puzzle for the sake of your confidence. Good luck to you and keep us posted.


 5:06 am on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hi guys ,

we are very confident. We will keep you posted no matter what the result is but we feel strongly confident.

However you are required 2 things : WMT and analytics account . We have based our solution on them and people like Sanjuu and others from this forum. However we will give an exact solution (if things are going our way) for a ecommerce site ...if not ecommerce there will be less data to analyze therefore harder.

Websites that are ecommerce (especially with affiliate programs) will win the most but idea is aplicable to everyone.

I dont want to sell the skin of the bear that I did not kill yet, but my team and myself we are pretty darn good at what we do.

Give us up a max of 10 days starting today. Present google trafic is about 420 average a day (from 1400)


 7:10 am on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hi Indyank

The brand is not really that competitive. Prior to Panda we could rank top 3 for any of these products.

Basically, without the brand = page 1; with the brand = page nowhere. I mean seriously buried. Seems like the brand kills us.

Crystal Pegasus

 8:38 am on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Very keen to hear your process and results clickinc! And thanks for your willingness to share... it is commendable and will be sincerely appreciated by many I am sure! Wishing you the best, consistently long term results... for all our sakes. :)


 2:55 pm on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Well, I am in day 9 of my "recovery" Not pre-panda levels but significantly better than I was. While traffic from google has been trailing off some I got back roughly 50% of my pre-panda traffic. From what I can tell, The site is doing significantly better in the foreign Serps and I have noticed a pretty good increase on the long tail.


 6:40 pm on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

Ummon , how many days after you made the changes you have seen a recovery ?


 10:34 pm on Jul 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

About two weeks or so. I made the changes two days after Panda 2.2


 8:48 pm on Jul 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

Day 2 after changes on our website , I see some movement (about 15% increase in traffic) but nothing major. Our Bounce Rate has gone from 55% to 46% ..

Positive but the bear is still alive and kicking...will keep you updated


ps. We havent seen 15% increase in trafic since Panda 1


 7:37 pm on Jul 25, 2011 (gmt 0)

I just love these expressions:

- pandalization
- pandalized

Super awesome. I am not sure if I have been pandalized. I do notice some content has been pushed WAY down and I posted 2 other discussions about it.

I have changed menu items from:

- City blue widgits


- to City

as I was concerned maybe Google viewed re-currence of blue widgits ad keyword stuffing. I also changed around some titles to ensure that the key words went first. On Wordpress, I am cutting down on the number of categories and keywords on some posts to see if this will help. Only time will only tell.


 7:50 pm on Jul 25, 2011 (gmt 0)

I have changed

In my experience changing anything is not a good idea since understanding Panda is not a simple one/two process therefore you will not know whether your changes have had a positive or negative effect purely because Google are messing about with so many other things at the same time that none of us know about.


 12:33 am on Jul 26, 2011 (gmt 0)

Change is good if change is needed.

Don't change for the sake of changing things. :-)


 11:10 pm on Jul 26, 2011 (gmt 0)

Day 7

No real news , no real increase.


 11:38 am on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

We've been hit by Panda, not as much as the rest here but like OP around 30%. We lost top rankings for our bread and butter keywords. It was a slow decline starting in February

We didn't do anything major. Just continued what we were doing. No change in procedures, no change in design. We did not reduce the number of ads (we have Adsense, Kontera, Chitika, our own direct advertising, etc)

The only change we did was to write a longer and much more on-target (with the right keywords) blurb for one of our main category pages, which happens to be the most popular page of the site (more popular than the homepage).

That was early this month. Since then, traffic to all our other pages have improved. We are back at the top in our most hit keywords. Traffic to our most hit keyword is up 480%. We are even showing up now in more popular terms that we couldn't rank before. Google traffic is up by 50% since last week.

We just hang on, as we believe we have strong original content and Google will sort it out in the end.


 1:00 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

I've monitored the posts on WebmasterWorld ever since Panda was first released, and I can happily say now that one of our sites is recovering from panda. Wrote the changes that we did here, maybe they'll help other members too [dopdf.com...]


 1:01 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Alika, it's great to hear recovery stories and what changes were involved.

It was a slow decline starting in February

Are you sure it was panda that caused the reduced rankings to start with? The impact of panda on our own affected sites, and subsequent further significant changes in traffic levels, have been clearly identifiable as the dates when panda was run (for us the main impact as April 12th when panda went international) and couldn't be described as 'a slow decline'.


 1:37 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

By the way, Daniweb.com recovered from Panda completely on July 25th, 2011.

Quantcast.com: [quantcast.com...]

Google forum: [google.com...] (mid page, post by Dani as of 26/7/2011)


 2:09 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

By the way, Daniweb.com recovered from Panda completely on July 25th, 2011.

Google forum: [google.com...] (mid page, post by Dani as of 26/7/2011)

I find this phrase in her post suspicious: "There were no big changes made immediately before the site came back, with the exception of a significant increase in my Google AdWords budget"


 3:02 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Softland, welcome to the forums and thanks for sharing your experiences!

The one thing that stood out most from your report was the dramatic change in bounce rate. The change was somewhat artificial - the users were not behaving differently, just downloading the same content from the main domain instead of another - but it seems like the biggest thing you changed on the recovered site and not on the others. Interesting.


 4:25 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

From what I am seeing, it would appear that some of the filters for panda have been lifted. I say this because we run a large affiliate network with a content distribution api. Pre Panda we were handling just over 1 million requests per hour. After the second panda update we were cut down almost 50 percent to ~560,000 requests per hour. Now, our publishers are almost exclusively affiliate/e commerce sites, so we feel we are a good indicator for this vertical. Starting on the 25th of this month we noticed the start of a significant uptick in traffic, as of yesterday this uptick has restored us to our pre panda 1 million requests per hour. I find this to be significant because we have thousands of publishers, and the vast majority have done nothing to their sites to warrant this traffic increase. I don't think this current recovery is the result of on site changes, but rather the result of fluctuations in the serps themselves. I don't know what changed, but it was fairly big.


 5:06 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Looks like panda 2.3 rolled out from what I am seeing on other sites. That would explain the changes I have experienced.


 5:26 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Google says that panda 2.3 is a SMALL UPDATE that incorporates some new signals to differentiate between higher- and lower-quality sites.
- source - Searchengineland.

I see a contradiction in that statement. They are only saying that they have added some new signals, but they doesn't seem to have said that they are ignoring a few earlier signals (pullback or rollback).


 5:45 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

My earlier statement about a rollback appears to be incorrect given that, but the fact remains that they did change the signals that are used to determine which sites are of higher quality. I think that's the key and the reason our ecommerce sites all seem to have recovered at the same time.


 5:52 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

they did change the signals that are used to determine which sites are of higher quality. I think that's the key and the reason our ecommerce sites all seem to have recovered at the same time.

Or they all, just now, got re-scored for the first time (perhaps because they are all in the same niche). That would support the hypothesis that scoring is not performed for everyone each time -- but it still leaves open the question of why they recovered.

Any data you have on commonalities among these sites would be very interesting.


 5:58 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

From the searchengineland article:
Google told us “this update incorporates some new signals that help differentiate between higher- and lower-quality sites.” “As a result, some sites are ranking higher after this most recent update,” Google added

Seems like an admission that some filter(s) were loosened up and sites have recovered as a result.

It's likely they would downplay the impact of this, as it can be seen as a "rollback" if people escaped Panda after 6 months without making any changes.

Of course they don't want to say they are letting thousands of webmasters out of Panda jail that they now realize maybe shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Congrats to those who recovered! It would help a lot if dates were mentioned, as any who recovered due to panda 2.3 might have been due to loosening of filters, rather than any action they took.


 6:16 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

@freejung: not the case here. We're talking over 10,000 domains in thousands of niches. We run a large affiliate network, so the type of sites are quite varied and none of them are in our control.


 6:24 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Of course they don't want to say they are letting thousands of webmasters out of Panda jail that they now realize maybe shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Thousands of business that shouldn't have been damaged, have been damaged. Loss of income, loss of jobs, ... beacuse of someone who didn't know what he was doing ... Mr Panda must be very proud of himself!


 6:25 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Wow. So why would you have seen a drop from Panda in the first place? Some sites lost traffic, some sites gained traffic, overall total traffic from Google should have remained constant. So that implies that for some reason using your affiliate program correlated with a higher probability of losing traffic than of gaining it. Whatever common factor that caused that discrepancy must have been removed, such that your affiliates are now no more or less likely to be pandalized than anyone else.


 7:18 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

Well I got completely hosed on 2.3

I recovered June 12th after I no indexed about 1/3 of my site. Traffic rebounded by about half. This one completely destroyed me. Thanks for ruining a perfectly good business Google


 9:15 pm on Jul 27, 2011 (gmt 0)

A partial recovery for one of my Pandalized sites starting jul 23.

Traffic is up 10-30% for several keywords.

Ranking for those keywords made a partial recovery. Seems they still suffer from Panda, but the downgrade is less.

So some traffic returned and the "penalty" is not so severe.

Perhaps they have refined the "penalty" to be more variable.


 7:22 am on Jul 28, 2011 (gmt 0)

@freejung - Yes, that was one of the most important changes, the bounce rate reduced dramatically. They're saying now that Panda 2.3 was pushed around July 23, but we started recovering mid July, so maybe Panda 2.3 was released earlier.

Yet with all the updates the scraper problem still persists, in my post I've shown the example where Matt Cutts' blog was outranked by a scraper, and this has been happening for months.

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