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Is Panda the same as Caffeine?
Errioxa




msg:4337947
 2:35 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Look at this web [worldwidewebsize.com]? Is panda the some a caffeine?

Google's index increases and the same number of keywords are distributed among more urls.

 

tedster




msg:4337978
 3:35 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure what your question is asking, Errioxa. Caffeine is Google's current infrastructure. Everything they do runs on Caffeine, so that naturally includes Panda.

Errioxa




msg:4337988
 3:53 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

When Google's index increases then the same number of keywords are distributed to greater number of urls, impact of this:

-Long tail traffic loss
-Big sites lose a lot
-Fewer users with 1 visit by organic traffic (organic traffic with 2 visits or more remain the same)
-All types of websites loss.
-Few sites win! (very important!)

if Panda were just another MayDay? the numbers of pages indexed by Google is greater, there are more competitors for each keyword.

[edited by: Errioxa at 4:11 pm (utc) on Jul 11, 2011]

tedster




msg:4337994
 4:05 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Now I understand - and I agree that the jump in size of Google's index probably has something to do with bigger challenges in getting rankings. However, those graphs are for the number of individual URLs, and it's simply true that Google indexes more individual URLs from a domain. I don't think that means more domains are in competition.

All that doesn't mean that the number of pages indexed has something to do with Panda. Panda is clearly quite surgical - it affects some sites dramatically and not others not at all, and the size of the site doesn't seem to be a factor. Also Panda was in development for more than a year, long before that spike in indexing.

At the same time, members here have noticed very intense crawling from googlebot, just before each major Panda version was set loose. Maybe there is some connection I'm not seeing.

Errioxa




msg:4337999
 4:14 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

it affects some sites dramatically and not others


Yes, this is true...

almighty monkey




msg:4338032
 5:07 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure what your question is asking, Errioxa. Caffeine is Google's current infrastructure. Everything they do runs on Caffeine, so that naturally includes Panda.


I thought the general understanding of Panda was that it was a thing that was 'run' from time to time on their dataset, but was far too resource-heavy to possibly be included in the ongoing algorithm?

I'd love to be able to cite where I read that, but I really can't remember. Maybe, it was the world's most boring dream.

Panthro




msg:4338048
 5:43 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Maybe, it was the world's most boring dream.


haha!

tedster




msg:4338059
 6:04 pm on Jul 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

almightymonkey, it's certain that something about Panda only runs from time to time. Whether that's because it's so resource-intensive, or simply not easily integrated into Google's dynamic indexing is not as clear.

If they do find it useful (and signs are they do) it will eventually end up integrated, I'm pretty sure of that.

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