walkman
msg:4316356 | 4:43 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| I'm sorry but backlinking doesn't harm as you are telling me. People are still throwing 2000 links everyday to their sites and dominating SERPs. I know quite a few such guys. |
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I assure you it does harm. Google has an internal mechanism (manual check?) and they are pretty sure it works well but I don't know. Maybe if the site is a 'normal' site and looks like $200 has been spent they might say it's unlikely that someone spend this much to knock them down. Context does matter, I guess.
But don't operate on I can tell google my competitors bought them for me.
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learnseo81
msg:4316362 | 4:47 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
@centipede
If your theory is right, can I harm your site by sending tons of back links to it? Even Google has said that If 1000 of spam sites link to you, you just work on making your SITE better and don't take offpage into the account since that is out of the control.
IMO, link building and link manipulating are two different things. Go check SERPs for any keyword and tell me who is not doing any link building. I don't want to argue with anyone as when it comes to SEO everybody have different theory.
and Yes, I've sites with links at all and nobody looks at them.
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learnseo81
msg:4316364 | 4:51 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
@walkman
I'm not saying that what you guys are suggesting is wrong. Check SERPs for any given query and they are on the top because they have some links which are working for them.
I've also ranked lots of sites for other people sole on the backbone of backlinks and they are still on the top. I'm even seeing sites that rely on the same backlink profile as me riding the top of SERPs. There has to be some other reason.
People are going to #400 and then coming back and then dropping again. Everything is looking so strange!
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indyank
msg:4316365 | 4:52 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
learnseo81, you are free to believe that backlinks won't hurt you but when you get hit, no one can offer any alternate explanation. Google does have a big army of manual testers.
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walkman
msg:4316366 | 4:53 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
IMO, link building and link manipulating are two different things. Go check SERPs for any keyword and tell me who is not doing any link building. I don't want to argue with anyone as when it comes to SEO everybody have different theory.
and Yes, I've sites with links at all and nobody looks at them. |
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A few points to keep in mind:
Not all sites get hit or get hit at the same time.
Or have the same effect if they get hit.
Google might ignore the suspicious link or penalize your site.
If your site is 'good' and mainstream, Google might be more forgiving.
If you have 400 regular links and two bought ones, they will most likely let it slide. If you have no real links and 400 bought ones, adios.
So they are so many variables. [edited by: walkman at 4:56 pm (utc) on May 23, 2011]
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learnseo81
msg:4316368 | 4:54 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
@indyank
It is likely that what you are saying might be correct but I've yet to see a proof of that.
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learnseo81
msg:4316371 | 4:58 pm on May 23, 2011 (gmt 0) |
@walkman,
I believe Google don't monitor back links of millions of sites through manual reviewers but they have algo in place for that. Google might "Forgive" a site, seems like a weird statement.
Now If I start targetting competitors websites, I can not take them down. The sites which have taken the #1 place from me have the same backlinks. They must be more lucky than me.
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