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Ranking a new site post Panda?
brunotorres




msg:4310569
 10:58 pm on May 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

So it seems no one is recovering from panda. My question is: would it be better to make a new site?
Anyone here has created a new site after 2/24 and seen it ranking, especially ranking over pandalized sites for the same queries?
Or is it even harder to rank new sites now?

 

walkman




msg:4310576
 11:15 pm on May 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

brunotorres, no one is recovering but it doesn't mean that no site has overcome what Panda went after.

Example: The week before 2/24 Google found 1000 bad pages and decides that your entire site be pandalized for them. Unless Google says re-calculate that site, you will stay pandalized even if you remove them. It maybe that Google has a set time penalty for Pandalized sites. But Google always gives confusing and contradicting info other than "build sites for users." Even then they will penalize you, a thin tag page may make a lot sense for users for example.

So don't let panda scare you. Really thin and not so useful sites have survived it and really good ones have been slammed.

brunotorres




msg:4310587
 11:42 pm on May 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

But do you think the good ones, and the bad ones that were fixed are really gonna recover after some time? And new sites are gonna receive the same treatment even if they're built with great quality (even though there's no practical clear definition of what quality is for google) from the start?

CanadianGuy




msg:4310589
 11:49 pm on May 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

I suggest going back to the basics. Envision the web without search engines. How would you get traffic? Where would you want to get it from? Reach out to those sites in person and build your credibility and product offering.

kd454




msg:4310592
 11:58 pm on May 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

No difference in ranking a new site post Panda update, you have have issues if your site was hit by Panda.

What I have found is you might need to think about getting stronger links etc.

walkman




msg:4310597
 12:17 am on May 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Bruno,
"some time" may mean a week, a crawl or whenever Google wants. All bets are off and listening to Google is useless (actually harmful) CanadianGuy is right.

brunotorres




msg:4310599
 12:31 am on May 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

CanadianGuy, walkman, well ok. As panda still didn't hit Brazil it's just sit and wait and it's terrible. Anyhow, I'll try to keep your advice in mind.

Kd454 what I think may happen is the site be pandalized in a later run of the algo but we'll have to wait and see too.

Thanks for the advices.

Planet13




msg:4310640
 4:40 am on May 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

I don't have any scientific data, but it does seem like sites with lots of user-generated content will be the ones hardest hit by Panda.

This is based on the complaints by webmasters here, and by webmasters on the google webmaster help forums.

But you should look at the data that was posted for the Panda losers (I think the name of the company that posts it is called sistrex) and see if that is correct or not.

Kenneth2




msg:4310646
 5:22 am on May 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

I'm also seeing some thin affiliate sites with poor layout & scrapped content(could be new sites) at favorable rank. What they have is a big giant H1 tag targeted on popular keywords at the top of their main pages.

Planet13




msg:4310897
 6:06 pm on May 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

@Kenneth2


I'm also seeing some thin affiliate sites with poor layout & scrapped content(could be new sites) at favorable rank.


Have you looked at their backlink profile? I am guessing lots of "networked" sites that they own with targeted keywords in the anchor text. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they have lots of other spammy backlinks on abandoned sites.

It does seem like post panda, a lot of the SEO tactics circa 1997 - 1999 are back in play.

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