I doubt that the dates are a big factor here. However, many people are reporting that Google is not getting original source attribution correct, with apparently more problems since the Panda roll out.
Are you saying that the date method is probably not the reason for downgrade. This is the site: < sorry. no member site reviews in public areas >
[edited by: tedster at 8:57 pm (utc) on Apr 14, 2011]
sorry we don't do member site reviews in the public forums - only in the
private Review my Site [webmasterworld.com] area for paid Supporters
Yes, that is what I'm saying. I know that we have a lot of threads about Panda to stay up with, but the summary is that Panda did NOT lower rankings based on any single factor. instead it is a mix of factors, not all of which are currently identified.
Among those who are studying the actual data, no one has found even a low level correlation between dates and lowered rankings.
I have not seen a direct correlation with dates and ranking. I have seen manipulating the dates to be more recent leads to a higher CTR. A higher CTR could possibly help with rankings but I wouldn't blame old dates for ranking problems.
Well then, looks like I've been eaten by the PANDA. I'm not a content farm. I'm a rich content site. We spend ~$8k/page on content development. Several hundred hours of investment per page (doctors, PhDs, nurses...). We are #1 in our industry segment. My 2MM uniques/month are now 600K. We will survive and prosper again. We'll figure this out.
DirigoDev, with Google you're like a Politburo member under Stalin: one day on top, the next day you violate Stalin's 'guidelines.'
I've been a Google fan for a long time. They've gone too far on this one. We've got 51 employees and we did nothing wrong. This is not right. I've decided to join the Google resistance! Where do I sign-up?
People (including me) were saying the same thing about the Florida Update. As I see it, we can either complain and resist, or we can work to understand and adapt. This is not a penalty, it is a new algorithm - even though it generates a ranking change that looks something like a penalty.
As I see it, there has not ever been an update this extreme, and that includes Florida. We all got very accustomed to Google's algo being essentially consistent and predictable. In fact we got so used to it that we forgot it was their algorithm and always subject to change.
The previous algorithm became so predictable that start-ups were getting millions of investment dollars based on their ability to predict Google's response. That practice is probably over.
|We will survive and prosper again. We'll figure this out. |
That is always my choice. I think this case will be a lot like Florida. I think we will figure out some parts and Google will adjust other parts and we'll meet somewhere in the middle. But until then it is pretty painful.
Were there sites that recovered after "Florida Update" by making changes and adapting the web sites to the new algorithm ?
|I've been a Google fan for a long time. They've gone too far on this one. We've got 51 employees and we did nothing wrong. This is not right. I've decided to join the Google resistance! |
Where do I sign-up?
...at the robots.txt
The date theory is bunk. We changed all the dates and got nothing. We did get the correct dates back in the SERPs and this has helped to drive more traffic.
|I've decided to join the Google resistance! Where do I sign-up? |
Easy. Just block googlebot in your robots.txt file. Then use Webmaster tools to de-index your URLs that are already indexed.
That'll show google who's boss...
(And, of course, viggen beat me to the punch. Curse you viggen!)
|The previous algorithm became so predictable that start-ups were getting millions of investment dollars based on their ability to predict Google's response. That practice is probably over. |
In some ways, google's success has become its Achilles Heel.
Because one algorithm (google's) has so much market share, it became easier and easier for people with deep pockets to rank higher. After all, they only had to SEO for ONE algorithm.
Lots of hunters in the bush, but only one duck flying overhead.
For purely argument's sake, one could say that if search share was divided equally among, say, four different Search Engines, then maybe the quality of ALL of those search engines would be better, since it would be more difficult to game four search engines than to game one.
(Or you could say it would be harder for all of us practicing SEO to game them.)
|As I see it, we can either complain and resist, or we can work to understand and adapt. This is not a penalty, it is a new algorithm - even though it generates a ranking change that looks something like a penalty. |
Not only that but YOUR site doesn't even need to be affected in order for it to fall in rankings. That sounds silly but think about a house of cards, what if the sites below you that were supporting your site (via your backlink profile) DID get a ranking demotion, their ability to keep your site propped up would also change.
Panda brought on some new guidelines and we'll figure them out in time. Don't assume too much and keep moving forward and improve what you can.
|We spend ~$8k/page on content development. Several hundred hours of investment per page (doctors, PhDs, nurses...) |
I would contact Google via Webmaster Tools myself. It might never get read, but it sounds to me like your site is the sort of false positive that Google SHOULD know about. $8K per page sounds like the very definition of authority content to me.
If your pages don't rank well and used to then there is something wrong with the new algorithm. Google doesn't owe you a living, but it does owe its users the best results.