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Google PANDA rolls out WorldWide
incrediBILL

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 4:31 pm on Apr 11, 2011 (gmt 0)

Today, for the first time, after checking daily, I can now see US Panda results on Google properties worldwide including but not limited to: .co.uk, .ca, .co.in, .com.au, .fr, .de, .se, etc.

Congratulations, it's no longer speculation if you have Panda, it's quite visibly there.

 

walkman



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 5:55 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

OldIrish, I removed my adsense from my main site: it's clear that Adsense is the most obvious spammy /MFA site identifier. One less thing to worry about, and I can do without the several hundred I made a month from that.

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 6:12 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Sure, Google uses the various accounts to establish common ownership. Once that's done, removing Analytics or anything else will not make Google forget what it already knows.

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 6:43 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Yesterday saw a return of some traffic & sales for us but a shaddow of what it used to be. Looking at some of the search terms reveals some VERY strange goings on, I can't give examples but they are no way what a user would search for, they are like someone is testing our site for terms it should er... sort of rank for! The IP's are UK. Weird.

seoN00B



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 6:45 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Two weeks ago we have a major revamp. After that my search engine traffic both Google & Yahoo is beginning to drop by 5-10% increment daily. My site has two of Adsense ads every page, I hope this is not PANDA. :P

OldIrish



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 8:53 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

@seoN00B Dump your AdSense ads. I removed mine and am seeing some traffic recovery. You can always put them back up if it doesn't work.

Frank_Rizzo

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 8:57 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

WMT now showing stats for Pandamonium day:

11th April 2011 - Impressions 81% DOWN, Clicks 69% DOWN

I know it's not wise to look at a single day but if the 12th is anything like this then that's it Google. It's over.

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 9:02 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

56% & 60% here. Stays like this then it certainly is over.

alecs

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 9:32 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I don't think those are accurate at all, for me impressions are up 50% :)) ye right, and clicks down 18 percent. In reality my traffic is almost 50 % down with earnings at 30 percent of what the were in February before panda.

[edited by: alecs at 9:46 am (utc) on Apr 14, 2011]

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 9:37 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Accurate or not if earnings are down with ZERO days then that says it all.......

OldIrish



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 10:05 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

What happened to GoogleGuy? Is he too busy shoveling gold bullion into eHow's bank account to grace us with his holy presence? Would be awesome to at least know why I was put out of business (other than that obvious fact of eHow and others outranking me for my own content). I suppose here in the digital age that's probably asking too much.

alecs

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 10:12 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

they are out celebrating the fact that panda was a success

walkman



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 10:17 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I can show you a superb site I found on Google's Panda forum: amazing template, top content with pictures but it still has been sent down the SERPS. #1 suspect? Googleads, they have two ads on the page.

It's a DYI site and eHow took their spots.

OldIrish



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 10:42 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Well at least the next time Google yells "Quality" we'll all know that means to quickly find the nearest bomb shelter.

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 10:59 am on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Or some rope :(

ErnestHemingway



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:39 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

This has been a very weird update and they have tackle a lot of things with this one. With such a large update you have winners and losers.

One thing to note and I am not sure if many of you realized this or not but after doing further research I am seeing this to be something significant in this update.

*Panda Update 2 impacted US searches as well, it wasn't just the worldwide US was included, so we have had 2 updates that had effects on Google US.

*Websites/Pages that were ranking #1 prior to this global update, are in large still ranking#1 the websites that lost ranking are those that were ranking 2nd or 3rd. Websites that gained position are those that were always roaming around 4-7th position. It is hard to give solid data on the 2nd part of my research but websites ranking#1 prior to update are still ranking#1 after this update but a lot of sites ranking 2nd and 3rd are now gone either to bottom of the page or somewhere down 2nd or 3rd page.

*Adsense has not much to do with this whole update, unless you had 6 ad units on your pages then there is no issue. Because a while back google sent an email to its publishers providing the best locations to place their adverts. They had 3 ad units per page and I followed their guide, so as far as ads go I did what google told me to.

Now even with this it doesn't add up because I have seen sites without Ads gone from the top listing and sites using MFA wordpress themes ranking on the top. So Adsense is not some prime factor.

Last thing Google would want is to kill their ATM which feeds money to all of their acquisitions and other things they do, we are talking about billions of money in profit from Adsense.

*Social Media? Well this has got to be joke because I do not see good solid proof of this, none of the sites ranking on top have that factor in them specially in my niches.

*ExactMatch/Keyword Stuff seems to be working, I have sites now ranking 3rd where in the past they were nowhere to be found, but now I do a query and they are ranking 3rd or 4th because of exactmatch.

*Images --> It seems images are some sort of factor if you have just content and content and then ads then you might want to add images to see if that changes anything for you. But I have seen sites totally with stolen content, plain text with adsense ranking#1

All in all this was a messy update as my US searches show me .au/.nz websites and for some searches in UK I am also getting similar results.

.gov/ and wikipedia --> Last thing I would want is to see .gov pages ranking for every query that would kill the ecosystem. If someone likes wikipedia results then they can simply visit the homepage of wikipedia and search for it.

Wikipedia is killing a lot of terms and some of it provides no value to the query if someone is looking for "schools" I bet he knows what is school and he is probably searching for some sort of online school or something relevant rather than the history of schools and all that...

Bing has been very responsive and I don't see why they wouldn't be one of the leading search engines in next 2-3 years, they are catching up guys.

Google calls them cheaters but they are getting smart day by day and they are using different technologies to provide good results.

Quality content? BS!BS!BS! yes and I repeat BS! a stupid program can do so much but it is hard to understand the intention and message of an article/white paper.

I see junk ranking on top without any quality content, this update did not do anything in QUALITY wise, there were losers and winners but sites that played it harsh and did spam and such are dominating the results.

Those $3 articles written by software are doing better than content written by expert in the area.

At the end of the day even Google PhD kids are mere humans.

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:45 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Some of our good search terms seem to be back right now, they weren't this morning. Anyone else seeing any shuffling?

walkman



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:51 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Some of our good search terms seem to be back right now, they weren't this morning. Anyone else seeing any shuffling?

Yes, but as far as I can tell, it's a VERY weird and OLD index. My long deleted pages were there just a while ago so...

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:54 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

If I want to buy a widget, a really SIMPLE widget, what does page quality have to do with it? I look for the cheapest price off a site that appears secure with an address etc. Page quality does not come into it, I don't care what the site pads that page out with, some things in life are really simple, you can't write a page of content about a Philips screw for example! It seems Google are fixated on this.

[edited by: ohno at 2:14 pm (utc) on Apr 14, 2011]

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:56 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Yes, but as far as I can tell, it's a VERY weird and OLD index. My long deleted pages were there just a while ago so...


Oh :( Thought it looked good!

ErnestHemingway



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 1:57 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

@ohno

Exactly, but right now the results are a mess.

BTW are you guys keeping an eye on your last index date?

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:04 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

BTW are you guys keeping an eye on your last index date?


What is the most reliable way to check?! I do not trust WMT data at all right now! Thanks

walkman



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:12 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

My cache date is around 7-9th of April on pages I don't get a daily tag.

OldIrish



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:19 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Out of thousands upon thousands of web pages I don't have a single web page cached after April 8th? That's strange.

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:23 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Check in GWT (if you're still using it) and see if there's been a drop in crawl rate for your site.

ErnestHemingway



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:27 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Would be great if someone can share some data with us if they lost some position and if they can tell us a little about their last index date I was last indexed April9th nothing after that.

OldIrish



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:29 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I closed my Google Webmaster Tools account 2 years ago after my sites kept getting manual Google quality checks. Once I closed the account the manual quality audits stopped. I don't have anything to hide with my websites but I felt violated by that. I didn't sign up for the account to be under constant scrutiny like some sort of common criminal. If you like being audited constantly by some outsourced control group in India then GWT is the place for you. Do bear in mind that those quality control groups do have access to the ban button, so make sure they don't catch your site during a redesign or a server outage.

[edited by: OldIrish at 2:35 pm (utc) on Apr 14, 2011]

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:33 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Would be great if someone can share some data with us if they lost some position and if they can tell us a little about their last index date I was last indexed April9th nothing after that.

I will if i know how, I've checked crawl stats in WMT's but can see no dates on the graph?

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:50 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

3 sales in short space of time, all from the same post code area. We've seen this before haven't we Google! At the same time we see what seems to be a good index for our terms!

[edited by: ohno at 2:57 pm (utc) on Apr 14, 2011]

backdraft7

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 2:52 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Serps are in major flux today. I've seen half a dozen different results for the same key phrase since early this morning. Looks like a bubble sort is taking place. Checking Bing and Yahoo, our listings are rock solid, as usual. Google is all over the place. Google's motto should be "rolling stone gathers no moss". It gathers no sales either. That lack of funds is gonna feed back to my adsense account very soon.

Checking my "Your site on the web > search queries" looks like someone blasted the page with a shotgun.
Red text all over the place. First time my site has taken a ranking hit like this in 10 years.

@Ohno - looks like we are now in different boats...glad to hear you're seeing improvements.

ohno



 
Msg#: 4295468 posted 3:00 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

BTW, I'm also seeing major shifts in Google shopping results. Back and fourth over the space of an hour.

Edited to add, we are also getting lots of spam sign ups to our forums today.

denisl

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Msg#: 4295468 posted 3:13 pm on Apr 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

"Checking my "Your site on the web > search queries" looks like someone blasted the page with a shotgun."

I wouldn't take too much notice of that. All my sites are showing impressions and click down around 40% that day but traffic wise they have either stayed the same or shown a slight improvement.
I think G must have been too busy to capture the data that day

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