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Penalty minus 50 since 1 year: authoritative, old and quality site
MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 7:07 pm on Mar 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone,

I'm writing on this forum because we are really desperate. I tried in every possible way to get out of this penalty, but without any result. Often the solution is simple, and maybe with your advice I can understand how to act.

I apologize for my english, I hope you can understand me. So, the site with a penalty minus 50 is < sorry no site reviews > (I hope you can accept that URL, it is not to SPAM). As you can see searching the URL.xx on Google, it is an authoritative site, and before the penalty it was on the top of the most important keywords on Google.it.

Last year, in March, I had some problems with the italians ISP, they blocked the access to my site with the "www". So, I did a simply redirect from the version www.URL.com to http://URL.com. Few days later, Google started jumping from the URL with "www" and without, but in the end, it penalized me.

Maybe somethings has gone wrong, but I resolved all the problems like "duplicates content" (the site has url like www.url.com/page.htm but on the server they are like www.ur.com/page.php, so it didn't create problems before, it was a simply redirect from the php pages to htm pages, but make 2 redirects it's more complicated). So I blocked the ".php" pages, and the problem was solved.

I've sent to Google 5 or 6 tickets by the webmaster tools, but nothing happen. I think they ignore completely them. I posted on Google forum (italian and english), but the result was the same.

Now I've solved the problem with the italians ISP, so italians can access to my site with the "www" and I put it on the site again, with a redirect from the http://url.com/ to the http://www.url.com/ version. But, the site is still penalized.

As you can see, it is a really complete site, we work hard on it, but without Google we can't continue our job.

I asked to a SEO Agency to try to find a solution, but even they were unable to find the cause. Now they are suggesting me to put an empty page on this domain (with write COMING SOON) and to put the contents on another domain. I don't want to loose the popularity, seniority and authority.. So, what can I do? Just wait, wait and wait? It's really frustraing, Google doesn't answer and it is like a brain teaser.

I hope you can help me, I'm ready to everything, so if the solution is to remove the contents, I will.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Jorge S.

[edited by: tedster at 8:55 pm (utc) on Mar 13, 2011]
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tedster

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:00 pm on Mar 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hello MoneyHoney, and welcome to the forums.

Sorry, in our public forums we do not do reviews of our member's sites. We do have a Site Review forum [webmasterworld.com] in the Paid Supporters section where people review each other's sites by examining the URLs.

From what you describe, it does sound like you had quite a technical tangle. Are you sure that's been 100% handled?

1. 404 status when the content is gone
2. one-step redirects where the URLs are moved
3. only one URL for each bit of content

You need to be intense about this kind of thing.

But more than that, -50 sounds like a backlink penalty. Is your backlink profile as clean as it can be?

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:15 pm on Mar 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

Hi tedster,

sorry about it, can I republish the same topic in that area? (I'll do the subscription).

Now the situation is 100% handled, I think in the past too (maybe, as I wrote, at first no), but then this guy (seo agency) helped me, and everything was fine.

Backlink penalty: it's strange. You know, in the gambling most of the sites buy links, but I've never SPAMMED (like profiles, comments etc.). So, it is strange.

If we couldn't get out of it, what would be the best solution? that indicated by seo agency?


Thanks a lot for you reply,
J

tedster

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:38 pm on Mar 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

can I republish the same topic in that area? (I'll do the subscription)

Yes. The way it works is that everyone needs to make two contributions to other site reviews before their own request for a review goes live. The reviews are for all kinds of things - penalties, SEO, usability, design, crawling problems, etc.

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Have you studied your backlink profile to see if someone else is setting you up to look like a spammer? Google says they only give penalties when they see a widespread pattern of abuse, but sometimes competitors do try to create those patterns for their competition.

We won't review your actual backlinks out here in the public area, but it is something that anyone should review regularly, especially if you are in a highly competitive market.

Sgt_Kickaxe

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:55 pm on Mar 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

Have you asked Google for reconsideration?

TheMadScientist

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 7:58 am on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Is it exactly -50 on every page?

Last year, in March, I had some problems with the italians ISP, they blocked the access to my site with the "www". So, I did a simply redirect from the version www.URL.com to [URL.com....] Few days later, Google started jumping from the URL with "www" and without, but in the end, it penalized me.

This doesn't sound like a penalty to me ... It sounds like a chained redirect that caused loss of link weight and 50 positions down is where it settled ... I read your site is in the review forum now, so this post is as much for future readers to make sure they double and triple check redirects, because redirects = loss of inbound link weight ... Even a single redirect loses a bit of link weight.

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:33 am on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Yes. The way it works is that everyone needs to make two contributions to other site reviews before their own request for a review goes live. The reviews are for all kinds of things - penalties, SEO, usability, design, crawling problems, etc.

Sorry, my english is not so good.. So, I've understood that I should have done the subscription (payment) and then I could to post it.. that's incorrect, right?
Have you studied your backlink profile to see if someone else is setting you up to look like a spammer? Google says they only give penalties when they see a widespread pattern of abuse, but sometimes competitors do try to create those patterns for their competition.

Checked. No problems about it. No comments, profiles or other spam. In the past, maybe 2 years ago, I've just done an english directories submission (an huge order), but it can't penalize I guess..

We won't review your actual backlinks out here in the public area, but it is something that anyone should review regularly, especially if you are in a highly competitive market.

I know, backlinks are very very important. In my field, even in Italy, everyone buy links. There isn't a site without some links bought. But we buy only in quality italian sites, not spam!

The strange thing is: It is normal that a penalized site, or at least that Google no longer considers reliable, remains authoritative?

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:36 am on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Have you asked Google for reconsideration?

As I wrote, 5/6 times. And I didn't just wrote somethihing like: Please, reconsider my site! I wrote long reviews.

I actually deleted everything could in some way penalize, I explained the situation (including redirects) etc..

Even the SEO Agency, told me that if it's an algorithmic penalty, they don't send quality rates to check.. is it true?

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 9:40 am on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Is it exactly -50 on every page?

Yes, every page. If you try to find "urlname.com+keyword" it isn't in first pages... So, it's really penalized.
This doesn't sound like a penalty to me ... It sounds like a chained redirect that caused loss of link weight and 50 positions down is where it settled ... I read your site is in the review forum now, so this post is as much for future readers to make sure they double and triple check redirects, because redirects = loss of inbound link weight ... Even a single redirect loses a bit of link weight.

It's important to check, right. But I can understand that you can loose some positions after a redirect, but a penalty is much harder :S

tedster

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 3:38 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

So, I've understood that I should have done the subscription (payment) and then I could to post it.. that's incorrect, right?

Yes - then you can post a site review request in the private Site Review forum [webmasterworld.com] - that's not in this forum where we are currently having the discussion.

Even the SEO Agency, told me that if it's an algorithmic penalty, they don't send quality rates to check.. is it true?

According to a recent video from Matt Cutts, that is true.

In the past, maybe 2 years ago, I've just done an english directories submission (an huge order), but it can't penalize I guess.

That depends on what those "directories" are. Some people call the top sites in their link farm pyramid scheme "a directory" when it's really just a spam attack. There are not a huge number of respectable directories. But in most cases, those links do get ignored. It really depends on what the other person did for you.

TheMadScientist

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 3:47 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't think year old links would come back to bite someone like that, but I guess they could ... The minus 50 sounds like a penalty, but the situation and the timing of the redirects / drop in rankings sounds to me more like lost link weight than anything.

If the links were recently added, then I could see them being more of a 'not ignored' possibility, but I think MoneyHoney means they directory links are from 2 years ago and then a year later the rankings dropped?

I don't know ... Something sounds 'fishy' about the redirects, domain issues and inbound links losing weight through redirects to me ... I'd look really hard there, unless there's something really 'penalty worthy' not being mentioned.

TheMadScientist

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 3:55 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Really, think about the timing of the events:

You go and get 1000s of directory submissions or whatever ... (We'll pretend they're spammy) ... A year later things get messed up with your www domain and you are forced to move to the non-www version ... At exactly the time your domain gets messed up and you're forced to redirect Google decides your inbound links from a year ago are a penalty ... Huh? That's some ironic timing if that's what it is and we're getting the whole story ... Because it sounds much more likely the link weight is being 'lost in translation' through the redirects somewhere to me...

mrguy

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 4:58 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I found myself in the same boat when I was testing a new method.

That was almost 2 years ago and to this day it still has the penalty even though I got rid of the offending links and filed a re-inclusion request.

It's not a weak site either. Has good original content and a following on Facebook. Actually the facebook page out ranks the actual site.

So even if you fix the linking problem, you still might end up in the penalty box for as long as Google deems your site worthy of a penatly.

tedster

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:12 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

There's another possibility we haven't touched on. Maybe your site has been hacked and is now hosting parasite content that is cloaked so that only googlebot sees it. Have you checked for this?

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:19 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

That depends on what those "directories" are. Some people call the top sites in their link farm pyramid scheme "a directory" when it's really just a spam attack. There are not a huge number of respectable directories. But in most cases, those links do get ignored. It really depends on what the other person did for you.

I know.. Most of them are low quality.. but the site has many quality backlinks, so I guess Google ignores them..

Basically is still an authoritive site for Google, I don't know if that counts for something...


PS. I will publish this discussion in the private forum too.. Now I'm going to have 2 busy days without internet, and I want to follow as better as I can the discussion... Thanks for your job!

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:31 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I know, backlinks are very very important. In my field, even in Italy, everyone buy links. There isn't a site without some links bought. But we buy only in quality italian sites, not spam!

Minus 50 even if links purchased from quality sites.

Clean them up, make sure the rest of the site is squeaky clean, then file a reconsideration request.

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:44 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't think year old links would come back to bite someone like that, but I guess they could ... The minus 50 sounds like a penalty, but the situation and the timing of the redirects / drop in rankings sounds to me more like lost link weight than anything.

If the links were recently added, then I could see them being more of a 'not ignored' possibility, but I think MoneyHoney means they directory links are from 2 years ago and then a year later the rankings dropped?

The timing is the most importan thing I guess. Anyway the links are from 2 years before the penalty.

Google reconsiders a site from the scratch when it has a redirect? Can it have something to do with that?

I don't know ... Something sounds 'fishy' about the redirects, domain issues and inbound links losing weight through redirects to me ... I'd look really hard there, unless there's something really 'penalty worthy' not being mentioned.

It could be that links have losts weight, but that could cause a drop with some key, not a penalty.. am I right?

I thing that I haven't mentioned is that something like 3 years ago, in 2008, the site has been banned. I had links to bad neighborhoods, but I was not aware until the ban. I removed them and the site, after few months, has came back.

Maybe this is a precedent that google has not forgotten, but it has nothing to do with this penalty (I have no outlinks!).

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:46 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Minus 50 even if links purchased from quality sites.

Clean them up, make sure the rest of the site is squeaky clean, then file a reconsideration request.

I have never heard about penalty about "buying quality links". Google just penalize their PR (and then they can't pass link juice)..

Is that right?

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:50 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

There's another possibility we haven't touched on. Maybe your site has been hacked and is now hosting parasite content that is cloaked so that only googlebot sees it. Have you checked for this?

I've checked that with Google Webmaster Tool: "How the robot sees your (my) site". Sorry, I don't know how it is in english :)

But, actually I have not checked all the pages. How can I do that? :S

MoneyHoney



 
Msg#: 4281077 posted 5:55 pm on Mar 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

So even if you fix the linking problem, you still might end up in the penalty box for as long as Google deems your site worthy of a penatly.

This is one point that I want to clarify. Ok, my site is penalized, maybe I can't find a solution and it will remain in this status for years... Now, I want to save as much as I can (it was the BEST on Google, really).

What can I save? Just contents? I put them on another domain, and I restart the job from the scratch? And what's about the domain? Just put something like 10 pages and wait? I don't know, I really loose a lot anyway :(

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