TheMadScientist
msg:4277815 | 3:22 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
If they're really copied the whole (or most of) the page I would file a DMCA complaint with the site and Google ... It's way more than a spam report.
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falsepositive
msg:4277826 | 3:46 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
What happens with a DMCA? Do they take off the page or the entire domain? I'm gonna snark here and say that I found spinners and scrapers who stole content from me that are now on article directories. Would a DMCA on them bring them down?
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TheMadScientist
msg:4277890 | 6:09 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
You'll have to look into all the 'what happens when' yourself and how far it goes and how much it applies to, but: I do know if you file a DMCA complaint with Google they'll remove the page(s) from the rankings. If they're at a regular hosting company, they'll usually take the site or pages down too, afaik.
Make sure you know you're covered though, iow speak to an attorney is advised, because it's a legal notice and you can have issues if you wrongly file one.
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TheMadScientist
msg:4277920 | 6:37 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
I Should Add: you might ask or have a look around for more DMCA information in the Content, Writing & Copyright [webmasterworld.com] forum. They can't give legal advice, but you may find more people who can speak from experience and give you a better idea of what to do and how things worked for them.
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masterchief
msg:4277938 | 7:09 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Thanks for the answers.
The majority of the our content is submitted by the authors that give us the permission to publish it (no money involved) so we are not entitled to act on behalf of the authors.
That is why I guess I can’t file for a DMCA
Also as I said the scrapers take a page and generate around 50 to 100 different versions by just showing excerpts in each one, sadly ranking higher than us. So we would have to file about 50.000 DMCAs at least.
I was hoping that Google could look into this the same way they been doing it the last years: to determine who have published the content first and rank them likewise.
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Lame_Wolf
msg:4277960 | 7:40 pm on Mar 7, 2011 (gmt 0) |
The majority of the our content is submitted by the authors that give us the permission to publish it (no money involved) so we are not entitled to act on behalf of the authors.
That is why I guess I can’t file for a DMCA |
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If the authors have given you sole permission to publish them, then you can act as an agent for the author. I raise DMCA's all the time, and some are like this.
If the site has adsense, then click on the bottom right hand corner (where it says "ads by google") and report it via that. Go for the Jugula.
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DanAbbamont
msg:4278868 | 2:55 pm on Mar 9, 2011 (gmt 0) |
It's never been about who published it first, but about how strong your site is. If you can buy a trusted domain or do really good link building, you can easily rank copied content above the original no matter how old it is.
It sounds to me like Google just didn't like your site based on the farmer update. The scraper sites just didn't take a hit so now they're the ones ranking.
Send a C&D to the web host. That's about all you can do. Google doesn't make it their business to police copyright stuff. It's just not their responsibility, but it is the responsibility of the ISP hosting the copyrighted content to remove it when alerted.
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TheMadScientist
msg:4279071 | 7:45 pm on Mar 9, 2011 (gmt 0) |
The last two updates were aimed at scrapers (duplicators) and low quality (including copied content), so it may have been the case they were historically not concerned about it, but that's not the case any longer ... They are going after the copiers and regurgitaters, it may not be as easy to just copy what someone else has today as it once was and my guess is it will continue to get tougher moving forward.
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DanAbbamont
msg:4279075 | 7:53 pm on Mar 9, 2011 (gmt 0) |
They're trying, but the farmer update didn't really do anything to put a dent in scrapers. Content farms yes. They want to, but it's just really hard to do algorithmically.
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netmeg
msg:4279085 | 8:18 pm on Mar 9, 2011 (gmt 0) |
I have issues with scrapers too, although my scrapers are usually "legitimate" sites such as newspaper and television websites. (And unlike most people, my policy is that you can take anything you want off the site as long as you attribute it to me)
You simply can't rely on any programming or algorithm to deal with the problem, you have to take it upon yourself.
So my first step in this situation would be to try to figure out how they're scraping the site, and whether there's anything I can do to make it more difficult. If they're just coming along and screenshotting pages, there's not a lot you can do about that. But on the plus side, that method doesn't scale very well.
Me, I'm a log file/analytics junkie. I'm always looking for anomalies and unusual behaviors.
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zerillos
msg:4279962 | 12:59 am on Mar 11, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Netmeg has a point. Looking for 'anomalies' in the logs gets a lot of the scrapers. DCMA complaints work only on a small problem. As you said, you can't file 50,000 of them... only G can effectively solve this issue, but unfortunately, they haven''t been very concerned with it lately...
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Content_ed
msg:4279964 | 1:02 am on Mar 11, 2011 (gmt 0) |
I concentrate on the copies that outrank my pages. After filing a DMCA or getting the infringer to take it down through direct e-mail to the owner, use the public URL removal tool to tell Google that it's gone.
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