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Getting backlink from .edu .gov and high PR sites
John_Lee




msg:4218782
 11:03 am on Oct 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

I heard that google give more value to the .edu .org .gov sites. But how to get backlink from those sites...they don't have a blogroll or nothin...If I comment on their site with my blog's address would it be counted by google as a backlink?

 

tedster




msg:4218794
 11:48 am on Oct 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

What you heard is a kind of myth or misunderstanding. Google does not give an extra boost to a link just because of the TLD of the linking page. However, it happens that .edu and .gov domains often have high authority, well linked pages. It's the strength of the page itself that gives value to any backlink, not the fact that the TLD is .edu or .gov.

The same algorithm applies - if a link is nofollow, or if the page is penalized - then the link doesn't give you any help. If the link is in the content area of a page and freely given - that's where you'll see maximum value.

scottsonline




msg:4218823
 1:05 pm on Oct 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

Waste of time unless it's in the content or a new page. Run tests on your competitors, they get a bigger boost from natural lower ranking links vs high ranking links of pages that give them out to lawyers and pharmacies.

vivalasvegas




msg:4242138
 8:28 am on Dec 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

One other problem that may arise when obsessively hunting for .edu links - you may end up having too many in comparison to the .coms and .nets. While I am not 100% sure, I believe some search engines could consider this suspicious.

Rlilly




msg:4242396
 6:14 pm on Dec 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

I remember a high PR site linux.org selling links to casinos, viagra,... they where a PR8. (I believe Matt Cutts cited this site) They went down to a PR3. The site removed the paidlinks and its back to PR8.

internetheaven




msg:4242858
 9:22 pm on Dec 15, 2010 (gmt 0)

To add to tedster's commments - I still firmly believe in trustrank with google. I agree with everything tedster says about the page and link being worthless under the wrong circumstances. But I believe that if you get an exact like-for-like link from a .gov and a .biz (i.e. identical pagerank, backlinks, topic, anchor text, number of outgoing/internal links etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) there is a high probability that the .gov is worth more.

By worth more, I mean that if a .gov and a .biz suddenly created identical directories I could submit to, I would pay $100 to be in the .gov and $60 to be in the .biz

However: I would buy 100 .biz links rather than 60 .gov links if the links and linking pages were identical ... translate that in to time set aside each week to obtain links and there is a decent link building plan in there somewhere I think! ;)

martinibuster




msg:4243014
 8:55 am on Dec 16, 2010 (gmt 0)

To add to tedster's commments - I still firmly believe in trustrank with google. I agree with everything tedster says about the page and link being worthless under the wrong circumstances. But I believe that if you get an exact like-for-like link from a .gov and a .biz (i.e. identical pagerank, backlinks, topic, anchor text, number of outgoing/internal links etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) there is a high probability that the .gov is worth more.


That kind of contradicts this part of Ted's post:

It's the strength of the page itself that gives value to any backlink, not the fact that the TLD is .edu or .gov.


Which means it can be a .biz and still be better than a .gov based on the link strength, on page factors, etc.

First off, in my opinion trust rank is mostly a phrase that has been wrapped around a group of observed effects. I use the phrase Trust in that sense, the sense that there are various methods of determining whether a site is good or no-good. Here's a video of Matt Cutts [youtube.com] talking about Trust Rank from three years ago, explaining Trust Rank.

I think what you are getting at is part of the algorithm that tries to predict whether or not a web page is likely to be spam or not spam, to answer the question or not answer the question. As far as I can recall, the first time I heard Googler's discussing statistical probabilities of sites being spam, was back in 2005 at PubCon New Orleans. They were talking about creating statistical models of what is spam and using that data for keeping the SERPs clean, that kind of thing. That's when I began noticing that some of Googlers didn't have degrees in computer programming but in areas related to statistics.

So maybe what you are getting at is more related to whether a .biz site is statistically more likely to be spam over a .gov. It's not an unreasonable assumption. It's not unreasonable to assume there might be a little more scrutiny for a .biz, but then again every site is scrutinized. But what is gained by scrubbing a .biz twice while potentially letting a .com slip by because it was underscrutinized? Bandwidth? Computing cycles?

Some people may point to the SERPs and rightly note that there are very few .biz sites ranking. But is it because .biz domains can't rank? Or could it be because most people would prefer to think of another domain, one that's a .com, even it has a hyphen or two in it, than invest in a .biz that is perceived as risky?

It's like the lure color debate with fisherman. One fisherman may swear by a firetiger over a baby bass coloree lure and virtually always use the firetiger over the baby bass. Yet the act of using firetiger more often skews the results. If he used the baby bass during the summer when the babies were swimming around, he actually might have caught more fish using that lure. But it becomes a decided outcome through the choice he made. (And of course there's always the grizzled old timer who will claim it doesn't matter what color the lure is, it's all about how it wiggles in the water. :o)

Getting back to the topic, there are a lot of .edu pages that are useless for ranking. Some are link farms with barely three inbound links to their credit. In general, a .edu or .gov is likely to not have backlinks from SEO sites, wordpress widgets, and articles copied from article directories. So in that sense, yes they are better than the average dreck that is out there.

internetheaven




msg:4243035
 10:05 am on Dec 16, 2010 (gmt 0)

That kind of contradicts this part of Ted's post:

It's the strength of the page itself that gives value to any backlink, not the fact that the TLD is .edu or .gov.


I've been misunderstood then and I can see where my explanation was lacking! ;)

I did not say that Trustrank is applied to tlds. I believe that beyond Pagerank there is Trustrank, and .govs are more likely to have a high Trustrank based on their inbound/internal/outgoing link profile and structure.

The value of this Trustrank is not negligible, but it is certainly not double or triple vs a less trusted site.

For example: example.gov is a PR8 with 5000 backlinks gained over the course of 10 years. example.biz is a PR8 with 5000 backlinks gained over the course of 5 years. Whilst I don't believe age of a link is the only factor in Trustrank, I'm pretty sure that many people will agree with me that in this scenario, a link from the .gov is more valuable, even if only slightly so.

My point wasn't that .govs ARE more valuable: just how that theory/rumour may have come around and how it may be true in some instances as .edu and .govs are often, for example, quite old.

P.S my use of the .biz as an alternative example was not designed to disparage .biz domains! It was to try and set the framework for the original poster and remove delusions about tld strength. I wanted to say that I'd prefer .biz links (something I assumed the original poster would consider worthless considering their current state of mind) over .gov links if the money and/or time involved dictated such was beneficial.

emmab21




msg:4244401
 2:04 pm on Dec 20, 2010 (gmt 0)

If getting links from good PR sites are the key can someone suggest a good tools for finding hub and authority sites? Do you have to pay for a reliable tool?

tedster




msg:4244445
 4:09 pm on Dec 20, 2010 (gmt 0)

Backlink development, done right, is a very intensive process - and most tools are generally more about keeping track of the various steps you've taken. In other words, tools will not replace your own brain work. Using search engines with intelligent "advanced queries" is the best tool there can be, and most link builders depend on their search skills.

Our Link Development forum is there to help people discuss the process of finding backlink candidates. The answer you got there [webmasterworld.com] earlier this month pretty much holds - we don't want to promote tools here, and it's not really the focus of this particular. The kind of tool you are asking about can also be found via any search engine.

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