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Updating Question - no ranking movement despite on-page changes

Msg#: 4170590 posted 11:05 am on Jul 15, 2010 (gmt 0)


Ive been making changes to sites now based on various sources of information. The objective of the changes is to acheive a better rank.

The changes (done separately - then wait for cache update) and monitored over time (about 4 weeks) have been made on 7 domains of mine.

The changes are split into 3 types.

1) I changed some sites to add the keywords to them inside various HTML tags which I was informed was helpful. So for example I added an address tag with my keywords in it (just an example).

2) I added certain words (not my pink widget words) to my pages which I was advised google required so that it could place my site in the correct "category" - a "Selling" site that is - for pink widget. Rather than an "information" site for pink widget.

3) I added my pink widget keywords to *new* anchor text on my index page which links to existing (and indexed) subpages containing the keywords.

All my changes are cached now - the index page of each site which is where all the changes took place across all the domains are all pr1 to pr3 (just to note)

I do believe that the above changes ARE ranking factors (please please please please correct me if you think im wrong).

The sites are all ranking between position 4 and 80 (so not under any penalties I can see).

Other info - no affiliate links on the sites, pure oscommerce + hand written index page (which im tweaking).

The main point is - non of the sites have moved in rank - AT ALL!

I feel like im flogging a dead horse. Ive spent weeks reading and reading and got nowhere.

Has google not yet factored in my changes maybe?

Cheers - any advice appreciated.



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Msg#: 4170590 posted 8:17 pm on Sep 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Do you mean write an article on your OWN web site? Or in an article directory linking and then link it to a page on your site that you want to rank well for long tail keywords?

Yes, I can simply blog about something on my own website without getting external links pointing to it, and I rank quickly, but usually low in the top 10 (ex. position 8). I have about 10 million links pointing to my site, so that probably helps a good bit.


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Msg#: 4170590 posted 1:11 am on Sep 11, 2010 (gmt 0)

15 days ago I added internal anchor text for one of my long tail sites, I had the internal anchor text deoptimized for years (because of some -950 problems) but now I wanted to test the whole power of internal anchors ...

Guess what happened, nothing, no change in traffic ..

This is a huge site with about 100k URLs and the anchor text changes were huge.


Msg#: 4170590 posted 7:54 pm on Sep 11, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well - all my changes are doing my site really well now in the serps!

New Pages, More relevant and easy navigation, easier to purchase, crawled every 3 days, most up to date products in the country!

Guess what - goofle has dropped the site down 2 positions.

Well theres 2 months down the pan.

Warning - working on your site CAN HARM ITS POSITIONS.


Msg#: 4170590 posted 8:08 pm on Sep 11, 2010 (gmt 0)

Oh man - Serp now looks as follows for my term. Theres only 8 spots in the organic being returned - they are.
1. Profile spammer
2. Same profile spammer
3. Same Profile spammer
4. Amazon
5. Same Profile spammer
6. My Site
7. Same Profile spammer
8. Ebay.


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Msg#: 4170590 posted 2:12 am on Sep 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

There MUST be a way to out-spam the spammer, no?!?!?!?!

Maybe that's what it has come to.

On a side note...

I went looking for a top level domain for a particular keyword that is highly relevant to my niche ecommerce site (think something along the lines of "widget statues").

All the TLDs were taken - every single one - except for the .me TLD. That was the country-specific TLD for Montenegro, and then was opened up for worldwide use.

I didn't check who registered all those TLDs, but it is enough of a niche to know that they must be spammers.


Msg#: 4170590 posted 11:47 am on Sep 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

Planet13 - I dont trust goofle. I dont trust their competence.

All the sites there are keyword1keyword2someword or letters.

I can noway report all those sites with mine in serp also without also getting hit if they go down the serp because the domains are so similar.

My site looks vastly different than the spammers when visited - all his are the same - same template colors etc. But they may not visit - they may just go to the serp and tag the lot as the domains are so similar.

Its a risk I cant take - I would rather just keep adding content - but its very hard to get motivated now for certain.


Msg#: 4170590 posted 12:56 pm on Sep 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

Sorry Planet - I see "out spam" the spammer - I thought I read "out the spammer" and thought you meant report him.

I dont really want to spam this domain - I am actually quite proud of it - and the users love it - it sells at 1 in 20 uniques.

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