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New Keyword Gets Filtered?
martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 5:09 am on Jun 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I have an old domain (it have 4 years), and I want to position it for a new keyword word, Google filters it?

In other words, I make changes in the site for this new keyword word and I get some links using in the anchor text this keyword. For a week or 2, it was in the second page, now is in page 5, perhaps is filtered or "sandboxed"?

The total keyword is compose by 3 words, 2 of them I use them since a long time

Thank you
Martin

 

Sgt_Kickaxe

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 7:45 am on Jun 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

This is normal, I've seen it many times. I think fresh changes rank a little higher for a brief period because they are fresh but when that period ends the pages move to their proper location.

A week or two is by far not long enough to judge the effects of your changes and page 5 isn't a bad place to be for a 2 week old change. Keep working at it.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 7:57 am on Jun 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thank you, Im working to get some more links and see what happens

If someone have any idea, thanks!

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 10:51 pm on Jun 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Someone have more comments?

Regards

tedster

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 11:06 pm on Jun 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

How about some details on what you have already done to the site to reposition it? Are you just changing the home page, building a new directory, changing existing content, etc, etc.?

It would also to know how competitive is this query term, especially compared to the 2-word phrase you have always used? Are you getting good search traffic for the 2-word term?

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 8:44 am (utc) on Jun 27, 2010]
[edit reason] edited typo [/edit]

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 3:53 am on Jun 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi Ted

The keyword is compose with 3 words, Kw1, kw2 and k3
I only change some text in the body of the homepage and the home page have only one time the keyord. I get some links with this 3kw and using a fourth kw.

Since last nigth, the site again appear in the second page, so perhaps was something with google index...

Thank you

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 8:56 pm on Jun 29, 2010 (gmt 0)

Again drop down to page 5...

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 9:33 pm on Jun 29, 2010 (gmt 0)

I see that some sites than rank better now than my site, have blank homepage and other site have domain expired... strange... or index issue?

arronsky



 
Msg#: 4159690 posted 12:57 am on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

hey Martina, i see this exact pattern, and I've never seen it before. It SEEMS like Google actually blackboxes certain domains for certain queries (which is pretty scary AND against their own guidelines, where certain sites aren't punished specifically but rather algorithmic changes affect overall ranking), no matter how good your content versus the others (I have seen sites *that Google SAYS have malware* ranking) but meticulously created, content-heavy pages are totally ignored, no matter how you search.

What I think is actually happening is that there are multiple data sets Google is serving off of... one is dated, one is fresh, and long-tail queries return results that are particularly dated in the second (third/fourth/etc/) data set.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 3:15 pm on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thank you

I have another strange comment. 2 sites, site A, and Site B, appears in page 3, and also they appear in page 4 using the same URL, I mean siteA.com in page 3, and the same URL siteA.com in page 4, the same for siteB.com ... Is this normal ?


Also the site with empty homepage still in first page, and in second page the site with expired domain..

I think that something happens with google index for some queries?

Thanks
Martin

tedster

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 4:02 pm on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

If it is exactly the same URL on both page 3 and page 4 of the SERPs, no that is not normal. I have seen it very rarely - but it usually goes away in a few days.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 5:12 pm on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

Yes Tedster, exactly the same URL on both page 3 and page 4 for 2 sites...

Martin

arronsky



 
Msg#: 4159690 posted 5:37 pm on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

martin, that would potentially vouch for what i'm saying-- you're getting dataset #1 on your first query, then as you go further, it's hitting another dataset where that same page is lower down.

ALSO, I've seen a very new, and very popular buzzword now returns *the exact same* article from at least 30 different sites that host it (all unrelated)-- just reprinted verbatim, like any news article would be. In the past, they picked the best one and showed that, now they're showing it all. Filtering is not being applied.

There's a lot very broken, unfortunately we're probably the only ones that notice or really care (an average user will just ignore the duplicates and go on his or her merry way), and there doesn't seem to be much urgency at all from G in 'fixing' some obvious bugs.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 5:49 pm on Jun 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thank you, I will update any changes!

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 9:40 pm on Jul 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Update: Only one news, the domain expire disappear form the SERPS, but the blank page still in second page, and also same problem about the same URLs in pages 3 and 4...

Regards
Martin

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 11:23 pm on Jul 25, 2010 (gmt 0)

More update:

Using now different Google datacenter (using proxy browser) I can see that the domain expire appear again in the SERPS and also the blank page and my site in page 5 (in a better position). But if I search using 2 differents data center (using 2 differents proxy) my site appears in the first page and the expire domain and blank page disappear...

Any comments? Also for another domain, some datacenter show it in the first page for a keyword and other datacenters not show the domain for that keyword in the first 300 results... any idea?

Regards
Martin

martinacastro

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Msg#: 4159690 posted 1:51 am on Aug 5, 2010 (gmt 0)

Last update:

Now Im in the first page of GG for the keyword (compose by k1, k2 and k3).

The blank page and the expire domain disappear from the SERPs...

By the way I use Google Keyword Tool (for Adwords) to take an idea of the search volume for that KW. The result of these 4 days in the first page is very, very, very low if I compare with google traffic estimator... I made the test to know if I were in the 1 page for differents location (using a proxy to change country IP).

Any idea if google keyword tool works fine?

Regards
Martin

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