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Google Updates and SERP Changes - January 2010
northweb




msg:4053075
 1:07 am on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] and [webmasterworld.com...] >

the SERPs were different in the past few days for sure.
changed mid day today.

 

drl1




msg:4056475
 4:29 am on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well, FWIW, I for one still see two different, discreet SERP's. One consistently on 209.85.225.103 which occasionally show up on the other IP's mentioned previously.
The other is on "regular" Google, the only way I can tell the difference is from looking at these different results over and over again for over a month.

rustybrick




msg:4056599
 12:08 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's NOT Caffeine.

I spoke with Google and they promised me, Caffeine is not launching yet. Someone referenced my quote in this thread at 3:11 pm on Jan 7, 2010 (utc -5).

whitenight




msg:4056614
 12:36 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's NOT Caffeine.

I spoke with Google and they promised me, Caffeine is not launching yet.

:)
lol. I'll try again.
Ok, did Gorg employee tell you what it(what everyone was seeing) WAS then?

What was the EXACT question that was asked?
What was the EXACT phrasing of the answer?
Who did you speak to exactly?
What was the definition of "live"?
What was the defintion of "Caffeine"?
Which datacenters were referenced? (if any?)

---------------------

If we take past history....
No offense, but the last time we had this similar discussion was the "Position #6" issues:

Seoroundtable rep saying "X" because "Gorg employee said X".
Whitenight emphatically saying "Y".

A few weeks go by....

Gorg Employee finally admits that whitenight's improbable "Y" explanation was completely correct as
Gorg employee had no clue what was going on. -.-

sorry, but in my playbook, Gorg employee saying _anything_ gives LESS credibility to the underlying argument, NOT more.

edited for clarity

[edited by: whitenight at 1:04 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2010]

doughayman




msg:4056621
 12:53 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well, across the board, I am seeing key pages of mine missing, certain keyword phrases that I was ranking well for are gone, and the "site:" command (which rarely is consistent anyway) is at an all-time low. I think their data pushes have been mangled severely, I am guessing.

pdivi




msg:4056632
 1:07 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Same thing here. As of this morning, I'm missing from half the list of 10 or so key phrases I track. I used to rank #20-#50 for most of the missing ones. My fist page phrases are still ranking the same. I checked through 1000 results suspecting a -950 penalty, but I can't find my site anywhere.

doughayman




msg:4056633
 1:15 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Yeah, me too, pdivi. I checked through 1,000 results and are gone for some, same for others.

"site:" command tells me the pages are gone.

However, if I type full URL in Google for missing page, they still show up 1st or 2nd in the SERPs.

Google strikes again.....I guess their virtual monopoly allows them to do whatever they want.

whitenight




msg:4056634
 1:22 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

hang in there guys,
we're on the infinitely spiraling DNA helix of Space/time.

It's Dec '07- Jan '08 timeline repeating itself (almost) again.

lol, i sound nuts, but trust me.

It'll resolve itself when whatever "accident" that's going on at the Plex with this update/change is discovered (again)

doughayman




msg:4056636
 1:29 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Whitenight, a quick off-topic comment:

You "DNA helix" comment gave me a quick flashback to grade school, where I did a science project revolving around the great Dr. Watson's Double Helix revelation. Wow, thanks for the memory jab !

JoeSinkwitz




msg:4056661
 2:06 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

The data hasn't folded back in yet...go away for the weekend.

UK_Web_Guy




msg:4056664
 2:22 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

definitely a google glitch I think, is affecting too many sites to be anything different.

if you have pages missing on a site:www.domain.com query

try doing:

site:.domain.com - "drop the www" - this displays the correct number.

i think someone at google pushed the wrong button!

BillyS




msg:4056665
 2:26 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

whitenight -

I don't think you realize who rustybrick is... If he says it's NOT caffeine, then there is a VERY good chance he is right. His connections may be stronger than your observations.

bleached




msg:4056668
 2:32 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

@ pdivi and doughayman

I have seen exactly the same this morning for certain keywords phrases I am tracking, just checked again 6 hours later to find even more keywords phrases gone completely. All such KWs phrases I was ranking top10 before. Hope this rectifies asap!

Badcol




msg:4056670
 2:36 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I noticed a 25% drop in incoming links (approx 200) on wednesday, I wonder if we're just in for a link update.

whitenight




msg:4056678
 2:42 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

whitenight -

I don't think you realize who rustybrick is... If he says it's NOT caffeine, then there is a VERY good chance he is right. His connections may be stronger than your observations.

I understand perfectly well who rustybrick/Barry is...

Hence my not-so-veiled references in this discussion.
I'll repeat my earlier points.

** Rustybrick and co. et al. and I have disagreed several times on "official Google announcements"...
My record is impeccably accurate in said disagreements...
otherwise i wouldn't be voicing my alternate arguments to begin with, see?

** As always, the long list of "official Google announcemnts" endorsed or not endorsed by Gurus X,Y, and Z is even longer...
and i've oft disagreed with those, as well.
And my record is just as accurate, see?

I simply NEVER need Goog to tell me what's going on with the Algo.
I often understand what's happening better than any Goog employee. (references and links available upon request)

** And lastly, I have NO idea what rusty/barry, goog employee, or anyone else is "seeing" when they report "seeing" or "not seeing" Caffeine.

If the comment is "Google hasn't OFFICIALLY launched Caffeine"
then I DON'T DISAGREE.
I'm not terribly concerned with the PUBLIC RELATIONS "OFFICIAL" Announcement meant to "awe and amaze" SEO's who don't know better.

If the comment is "Google hasn't been sending traffic through Caffeine "Datasets" -- Then I call a lie.

If the commment is "Google's Caffeine is ONLY a dataset rollout OR a infrastructure change" -- then I call double lie.

On the other hand, perhaps OTHERS should see my many "crazy" predictions about Google pronouncements and how webmasters should "interpret" them and see who's giving more helpful advice?

I stand by all my earlier comments regardless of who agrees with them or not.

[edited by: whitenight at 2:44 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2010]

Badcol




msg:4056679
 2:44 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't think you know who I am ;-)

arizonadude




msg:4056706
 3:24 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Just like Matt said before Christmas they were not launching it because they did not want to stress webmasters, then that must be the truth because Google never ever lies to SEO types or Webmasters.

After all, they do care so much about the SEO community and would never mislead or lie to us.

I've also got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ;)

maximus12




msg:4056717
 3:45 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's NOT Caffeine.

I spoke with Google and they promised me, Caffeine is not launching yet. Someone referenced my quote in this thread at 3:11 pm on Jan 7, 2010 (utc -5).

rustybrick, thanks for adding to this discussion. Have seen your videos with Matt and believe you when you say "It's NOT Caffeine". You out of most of us might be able to shed some light on the ETA then.. Holidays are over and all of us are seeing caffeine flicker in and out. Whats going on?

DaThing




msg:4056727
 3:58 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Exactly 24 hours ago two of our sites dropped 80% in visitors coming from Gooogle while the rest of our sites just waved up and down about 5%

It is the same behaviour that we noticed on 10th of September of 2009, and previously on August of the same year. We recovered 1 month later in both cases, but with a tremendous impact in our incoming.

It looks like a Google's hiccup, not something we have done 'bad', but we are suffering the consequences (quite badly). A little info from Google would be much appreciated, at least to know what is the name of the sickness that is killing us....

gouri




msg:4056735
 4:06 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am also noticing this morning that certain keyword phrases that I rank for are not appearing.

Another thing that I am noticing is that for some keywords that I rank for, a different page is ranking than what usually ranks.

It is hard to make sense of all of this.

Shaddows




msg:4056745
 4:37 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am also noticing this morning that certain keyword phrases that I rank for are not appearing.
Another thing that I am noticing is that for some keywords that I rank for, a different page is ranking than what usually ranks.

It is hard to make sense of all of this


No offense, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the SLIGHTEST CLUE to what is going on, if you only monitor your own site.

On a side note, wasn't the Big Daddy infrastructure struggling with its previous load? And wouldn't Personal Search increase load? And isn't Personal Search now live?

gouri




msg:4056748
 4:40 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

No offense, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the SLIGHTEST CLUE to what is going on, if you only monitor your own site.

I monitor a couple but I understand what you are saying.

CainIV




msg:4056750
 4:42 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

So you have three schools of thought here.

- Caffeine is launched and is live on some Datacenters
- Caffeine is not launched, and therefore not live
- You wouldn't know it was live if it walked out of your monitor and poured you a coffee.

Based on the lack of organized agreement on any of the points here, I will stick in camp c, until either my coffee is poured, or Google physically labels the SERPs caffeinated.

Rusty - did you receive any more information which might point to a possible date?

Shaddows




msg:4056769
 4:59 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think there is a more nuanced school:
- Caffeine has not had its "fanfare launch", but flickers on and off [for test & QC / due to incompetence]* on some DCs.
*Delete depending on your viewpoint

pdivi




msg:4056775
 5:02 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

No offense, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the SLIGHTEST CLUE to what is going on, if you only monitor your own site.

I think the point of this board is so that we can, in a sense, monitor a variety of sites. It seems we are seeing similar effects, so it's probably something broad-based (or at least broader than one site).

Badcol




msg:4056782
 5:08 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

It's getting more obvious why they are calling it Caffeine ... caffeine is a central nervous system stimulant, having the effect of temporarily warding off drowsiness and restoring alertness. Oh yes, it makes humans very Jittery ;-)))

gouri




msg:4056792
 5:17 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Shaddows wrote:
No offense, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the SLIGHTEST CLUE to what is going on, if you only monitor your own site.

pdivi wrote:
I think the point of this board is so that we can, in a sense, monitor a variety of sites. It seems we are seeing similar effects, so it's probably something broad-based (or at least broader than one site).

Yes, I agree.

Even though I don't monitor a lot of sites, I felt that what I was seeing was more broad based than just for the sites that I monitor.

I got the feeling that what I was seeing was something that was happening on a larger scale.

That is why I posted it.

[edited by: gouri at 5:28 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2010]

whitenight




msg:4056793
 5:21 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)


- Caffeine is launched and is live on some Datacenters
- Caffeine is not launched, and therefore not live
- You wouldn't know it was live if it walked out of your monitor and poured you a coffee.

A. Where are you getting this school of thought from?
I hope not from me. As I've tried to explain, "launched" and "live" have to be DEFINED to even have a fruitful discussion.

Sorry, but "My Daddy said so" doesn't work as an explanation in politics, religion, NOR something as mathematically precise as SEO.

I've already clarified MY DEFINITION. (even given precise dates and other datasets)
Until someone else clarifies theirs, I'm simply going to assume they've done neither the research nor analysis to give an informed opinion, that i've openly done since August.

B.) Again, what's the definition? What dataset if ever LIVE 100% of the time (or announced "officially" by Google)
By this definition, NO datasets has been LIVE since Florida.

Seriously, does any critical thought go into
why 100s of OTHER SEO saw "Caffeine"-like datasets on Tuesday and Wednesday which then suddenly disappeared when G was "officially" questioned on it?

Where are those datasets NOW?
Anyone?
If they weren't "Caffeine" datasets, What the bleep were they?
Where's THAT explanation?!

BUT, BUT, BUT, "Daddy said so...!" Ugh!

C.) Funny.

-------------------------

- Caffeine has not had its "fanfare launch", but flickers on and off [for test & QC / due to incompetence]* on some DCs.

Of course Shaddows gets it.
So did DazzlingDonna
(do your research people. What was she referring to in a thread here back in Dec?)

Geez, do i "know" who she is too? lol

Let's call her Guru A, for future reference
or
"Mommy says so" when I don't feel like explaining....
(lol sorry to drag you into this, Donna.)

Shaddows




msg:4056804
 5:28 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think the point of this board is so that we can, in a sense, monitor a variety of sites

Yes, absolutely. Actionable data and collated resources are all well and good.
"Penalties of type X are being released"
"Low PR, but topic-focussed pages are replacing high-PR homepages (from same site) on some searches"

What's not useful is
"There have been some ranking changes on my site"

No way to know anything about those pages, the site structure, recent onsite changes, or any other site-specific information.

I don't mean to have a go at gouri, but non-contextual information adds nothing to to the pooled dataset, and individual ranking adjustments imply nothing of the system

gouri




msg:4056817
 5:39 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Basically, what I am trying to say is that for several keyword phrases that I was ranking for, I was not ranking for this morning.

Before I posted seeing this, I think there were a couple of members who posted about seeing something similar. It was good to see these posts before mine because after seeing them it made me realize that I was not the only one seeing this and this is something more broad-based.

I posted after them just to let other forum members know that there were more members who were seeing such a situation.

I think it was good to post this information.

whitenight




msg:4056820
 5:44 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

Yes, gouri and others,

That's one of the other post-holiday datasets that propagated quickly over the past 12 hours.

As others have noted, it "feels" very NOT permanent. But if it's a replay of the Position #6 playline, it could be around for a week or so. Let's hope they don't repeat the same mistake.

(This prediction is based on pure "3rd Tier" thinking, which can not be "explained" per se but can be learned by anyone)

imbckagn




msg:4056914
 8:03 pm on Jan 8, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't know what all the confusion is for. Caffeine is NOT "live". My definition of live would be Caffeine 100% of the time on all data centers.

Yes you may see an shimmer of Caffeine on a random data center once in while but you don't see these results [209.85.225.103...] 99% of the time.

As Google stated this is the Caffeine data center [209.85.225.103...] These SERP's are dramatically different from the "normal" SERP's that I see.

Yes the "normal" SERP's have changed but it's not Caffeine something is jacked up.

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