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Google Updates and SERP Changes - January 2010
northweb




msg:4053075
 1:07 am on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] and [webmasterworld.com...] >

the SERPs were different in the past few days for sure.
changed mid day today.

 

drl1




msg:4066647
 3:31 am on Jan 24, 2010 (gmt 0)

Ignore the above post - it is indexed and I just saw the other thread on increased speed. Seems like if I'm an hour behind I'm ancient history. :)

SEOPTI




msg:4066925
 9:23 pm on Jan 24, 2010 (gmt 0)

I see two of my sites tripping the -950 filter again. Seems they are playing with this illness again.

Doogle




msg:4066948
 10:47 pm on Jan 24, 2010 (gmt 0)

" I just saw a competitor's indexed pages (using site: operator) go up by 20x "

I also saw this - for all my sites and for a competitor, 2 months ago, anybody know if this is part of the same update, or is it because some webmaster tools are broken right now?

Thanks.

dickbaker




msg:4067693
 11:16 pm on Jan 25, 2010 (gmt 0)

The quality of the search results are leaving much to be desired. If I search for "Acme widgets," there's several sites on the first page that are tangential to Acme widgets. For example, one makes a doo-dad that can fit on an Acme widget. Another is an online magazine with a story about the author doing something, and he used an Acme widget in his endeavor.

If this is the new Google, I think the average user may migrate over to Bing.

walkman




msg:4067779
 1:35 am on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

dickbaker,
I still don't see the new google results.

whitenight




msg:4067907
 7:35 am on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Caffeine Dataset now also on

[66.102.7.99...]
[66.102.7.104...]

----------------------------------

Gotta say - a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results, for a while now.

And the cookie/tracking they are using to do this, is VERY SNEAKY.
I'll let others (and other threads address this) WHEN and IF they notice it
as it has far reaching implications combined with the immoral personalized search.

We see your shadowy actions, Gorg. Don't think that someone isn't watching the Watchers. -.-

helpnow




msg:4068060
 2:35 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

For me, both of those IPs are returning the same results as normal google right now...

gouri




msg:4068061
 2:41 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am also seeing, at the moment, those two IP addresses returning the same results as google.com. I am not seeing results from Caffeine.

barretire




msg:4068068
 2:54 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

As mentioned in an earlier post you need to use this method when searching these DC's [66.102.7.99...]

I think you will find thge results are different.

gouri




msg:4068113
 3:47 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thank you for including the particular link to use when searching the datacenters.

I tried the one that you included and I am seeing the same results as google.com.

I will try again later and see if it is showing results from Caffeine.

Kelowna




msg:4068116
 3:51 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Caffeine Dataset now also on

[66.102.7.99...]
[66.102.7.104...]

I see different results on those 2 ip's but they are also different from Caffeine. I use proxies from a few locations and never see the Caffeine results live anywhere, as well my logs are not showing any traffic that would have to come from Caffeine related surps... I think that some databases are just dancing around causing confusion.

cangoou




msg:4068117
 3:52 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

I'm not seeing Caffein either on the given IPs.

Could someone seeing Caffeine please outline the changes of the algo? If Caffein is identifiable by other SERPs there have to be changes in the algo as well.

aristotle




msg:4068150
 4:43 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Quote: If Caffein is identifiable by other SERPs there have to be changes in the algo as well.

I don't understand why you would say this. If Caffeine uses a different set of input data, then the results could change even using the same algo.

cangoou




msg:4068155
 4:51 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

@aristotle: Okay, you are right. Then an outline in the change of the algo and/or the input data would be greate.

aristotle




msg:4068263
 6:13 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Cangoou -- I'm not an expert. But if I understand it correctly, Caffeine probably doesn't include any algo changes. Instead, Google is trying to implement a faster and more efficient way of collecting and handling data. Apparently this would include deeper and more comprehensive crawling, which would result in a larger set of input data. I think they want to implement this separately from any algo changes so that they can see the effect more clearly.

Anyway, that's my impression.

fakedsysadmin




msg:4068285
 6:37 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

A few days ago [in this thread] I reported this:

I've notice that after checking a few times my favorite search phrase (about twice a day and for a couple of days), suddenly google.com starts showing results pretty similar to the results that were available in the Caffeine datacenter a few days ago.

This sudden change in search results have happened always when I restart my computer (I switch it off at night).

The "Caffeine" search results always dissapear when I put IE8 back to its default settings (Tools, Internet Options, Advanced, Restore advanced settings, Reset). However, the "Caffeine" search results will show again after a couple of days as explained above.

However, in the past days I haven't been able to see the Caffeine results according to what I reported.

An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.

I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.

When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.

[edited by: tedster at 6:44 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2010]
[edit reason] workaround for a system issue [/edit]

Bewenched




msg:4068367
 8:06 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

From what I can tell. the new Caffeine doesnt seem to mind the keyword spammers....

Saw one page that had nothing to do with a widget but had this spammed all in the middle (exchange widget for whatever you like)

widgets
small widgets
mesh widgets
black widgets
cheap widgets
bolt on widgets
more widgets
brand name widgets
widget style
... kept on going ..

grrr..

whitenight




msg:4068387
 8:33 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

A few days ago [in this thread] I reported this:

Yes, best observational post in the thread.
Your post was duly noticed at the time... and now commented on. ;)

An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.

I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.

When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.

Yes. Combine this knowledge with my statement of "a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results,"

- and a cup of those who obviously do NOT see Caffeine datasets at all (assuming they know what's Caffeine when they see it)

- and add in a pinch of inquisitive research as to WHY?

- Bake at 350 for 1 week.

And you find yourself with a cake of
Gorg doing some yet unnoticed "VERY SNEAKY" tracking of comps.

whitenight




msg:4068439
 9:13 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

But if I understand it correctly, Caffeine probably doesn't include any algo changes. Instead, Google is trying to implement a faster and more efficient way of collecting and handling data. Apparently this would include deeper and more comprehensive crawling, which would result in a larger set of input data. I think they want to implement this separately from any algo changes so that they can see the effect more clearly.

aristotle,
please see my earlier links in this thread for a fuller understanding of Caffeine the DATASET and Caffeine the INFRASTRUCTURE.

now with the added amendment -
As predicted to some behind the scenes.

Caffeine is also adding some nearly unidentifiable tracking and segmenting of actual computers/browsers.

Again, when and if, this is noticed...
or Gorg foolishly tries to pass this thru with Caffeine, it will be considered tantamount to placing a RFID chip in one's computer and the BACKLASH will be severe.

i PRAY Gorg doesn't actually think the public will both not notice this and/or DEMAND a complete reversal of it's technique.

If Gorg is looking to get government intervention in every aspect of their business, then this is a SURE way to do it.

whitenight




msg:4068450
 9:34 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

hmm don't know what's up with the funky new bb codes, but re posting for clarity

"A few days ago (in this thread) I reported this"

Yes, best observational post in the thread.
Your post was duly noticed at the time... and now commented on. ;)

An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.

I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.

When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.

Yes. Combine this knowledge with my statement of "a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results,"

- and a cup of those who obviously do NOT see Caffeine datasets at all (assuming they know what's Caffeine when they see it)

- and add in a pinch of inquisitive research as to WHY?

- Bake at 350 for 1 week.

And you find yourself with a cake of
Gorg doing some yet unnoticed "VERY SNEAKY" tracking of comps.

fakedsysadmin




msg:4068466
 9:44 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

Will Google show Caffeine results only when searching from within the toolbar and perhaps Google Chrome?

Will this be an attempt to motivate people to use the toolbar and Google Chrome?

whitenight




msg:4068481
 10:00 pm on Jan 26, 2010 (gmt 0)

faked,

i believe it's more much insidious than that, when one takes a long term view. (which i'll expound upon when the time comes)

But, your initial response will probably be one of the explanations that Gorg gives, to "explain away" the abnormalities.

uggur




msg:4068758
 7:29 am on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

caffeine results are looking good for our keywords at serp (: When caffeine is live?

union_jack




msg:4068847
 11:58 am on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Is there something wrong with the PR bar as i am getting nothing on any of my sites? Check on 2 computers...

curioustoddler




msg:4068883
 1:25 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I want to know from people who have been watching sites which have been facing any filter or penalty. Do you find these sites any different in caffeine?
Are few or many fiters not in place in caffeine?

TheMadScientist




msg:4069067
 4:36 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Is there something wrong with the PR bar...

Yeah, it's about 3 months out of date, inaccurate, estimated, FUD that's created a whole market of link sales and site valuations based on inaccurate information, but beyond that, I'd say it works fairly well...

Shaddows




msg:4069076
 4:46 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

but beyond that, I'd say it works fairly well

No my friend, IN AND OF THAT, it works per spec.

union_jack




msg:4069086
 4:51 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Fair comments, :) I thought one moment Google had done away with it. Went off for 2 hours on 2 seperate computers then came back randomly. Werid.....

Slick_SEO




msg:4069109
 5:18 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I know we are all seeing lots of varying things going on here, but does anyone share my frustrations? #*$! is Google doing? Are they ever going to make some type of an announcement as to what the plan is? IF and when caffeine is live completely will they even anoounce it?

This is seriously pissing me off - I can't even make SEO adjustments to clients pages because I can't accurately evaluate what is causing the changes.. For all I know Google is trying to ruin SEO for us all... This is stressing me out!

My guess is that they had miserable failure upon launch and they're to scared to admit it. Now we have to pay for it? I saw no issues with the old google they should have never messed with it.

TheMadScientist




msg:4069122
 5:31 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I can't accurately evaluate what is causing the changes.

There are probably smiles and high-fives all around the Plex because of your comments...
IMO things are going according to plan.

Seattle_SEM




msg:4069123
 5:35 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Good comments, Slick.

I think it was fairly obvious that they "turned on" caffeine on/around January 8th, and that obviously didn't work out so well.

The great Google: You never hear any bad news out of them. Despite when programs are abysmal failures (What's the latest on Google Checkout $300 - million dollars later?), you'll never hear about it. They quietly brush those programs to the side.

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