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PR Update - December 2009
Marvin Hlavac

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 11:26 pm on Dec 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR is being exported. I see pages as new as December 11 having visible PR.

[edited by: tedster at 11:53 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2009]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

 

traffik daddy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 11:41 pm on Dec 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, there is a PR update going on. However, should I let everything settle down before jumping to conclusions, that now many of my inner pages have lost pagerank? I have never been a big follower of pagerank, more authority backlinks, but sometimes having that pagerank persuades many websites to exchange links as such.

I cannot understand, (like above states) some new pages have gone straight in with the same pagerank as my homepage, yet many old and established pages are now greybar.

Should I look more at a better internal linking structure and build some external links to my inner pages, or are those pages dead and buried now? Many of them have lost ranking for many long term keyphrases too, but yet some havent and they are still greybar. My conversions are down because I am not getting direct traffic to my landing pages.

Time to get the thinking cap on I think :/
TD

eyeinthesky

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 12:39 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

My site got a PR4 in this update but is still AWOL n the SERPS ... sigh

tedster

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 12:49 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

should I let everything settle down before jumping to conclusions, that now many of my inner pages have lost pagerank?

I'd say conclusions about gray bar PR are not worth wrestling with. I was just working with a site over the past week and saw a PR4 page go gray bar during that period. Traffic did not change, the page is still ranking for an important query term.

Sometimes you can see the logic behind a gray bar (pages of links with little other content, for example) but not in every case. I just follow the traffic and whether it converts. Those gray bars can be some kind of strange - not worth the energy to decode, IMO.

TheMadScientist

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 12:55 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I haven't looked at TBPR in over a year, and can honestly say it really hasn't impacted my ability to SEO or do my job even a little bit... I'm sure it's been at least a year and could have been over a year and a half since I've even had the toolbar installed.

IMO You should definitely: Don't even worry about it.

Marvin Hlavac

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:19 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I haven't looked at TBPR in over a year, and can honestly say it really hasn't impacted my ability to SEO or do my job even a little bit... I'm sure it's been at least a year and could have been over a year and a half since I've even had the toolbar installed.

IMO You should definitely: Don't even worry about it.

While I understand what you are saying, this time around in my particular situation the TBPR provided useful feedback. I have recently worked on improving interlinking. Now, instead of seeing mostly PR N/A for the vast majority the old pages of my 2 year old forum with 20k pages, now I finally see many (most?) of even old and not-so-important pages actually showing some PR. It's nice to have such feedback.

The traffic, while I agree is a more important factor, may not be for my site the best indicator at the moment, because has been going up rather steadily since the start just over two years ago.

CainIV

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:23 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yah, see it here too. Same thing, yawn :)

AnkitMaheshwari

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 4:32 am on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes the update is happening for my sites too...

neildt



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 12:56 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes I'm seeing changes in PR today. Early December PR went up but now has gone back down.

tigger

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:00 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

whats pr ;o)

neildt



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:03 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR = Pure Rubbish LOL

Manpasand

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:40 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, my all sites PR is updating but honestly I don't bother. Better is to more concentrate on site ranking and traffic.

oddsod

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 5:10 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sometimes you can see the logic behind a gray bar (pages of links with little other content, for example) but not in every case.

FWIW, I've seen otherwise good pages that aren't getting new links ... go to greybar. I get a link or two for them and the pages get the green again. It's happened too often to be a coincidence. (Note: The links have to be IBLs, internal linking doesn't kick start the return to green)

PR = Pure Rubbish LOL

Sure, if you don't know what to do with it ;)

Marvin Hlavac

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 6:06 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

internal linking doesn't kick start the return to green
Are you sure about that? I've improved internal linking recently, and now most of my pages do have a visible PR. Even older ones, which had PR N/A before I started to work on better internal linking.
MrWumpus

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 6:09 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

Cool, my failed site now has a PR3 even though it only gets about three visits a week now.

At least the PR will be worth something when I try to sell it. ;)

johnnie

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 7:04 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR... Is that the pixels that allow you to sell a useless site way over value?

Slinger

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 7:39 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR is the biggest sham scam since the spray on tan for chix and painting bald guys heads with paint. Ignore it. You will just run around in circles chasing your tail like spreading peanut butter on a dogs tail and watching him spin himself silly trying to lick it off. For all the good google does, Page Rank is its black eye and embarrassment. Why they dont just put it in a coffin and bury it, I dont know other than Ego-ogle. Page rank doesnt make any sense and hasnt for over 4 years. Gray bars on good pages. High Rank on lame ducks. Up and down rankings for unexplained reasons. Ya see, back in the day, your entire site would have rank. Every page would have a Rank. Your homepage would be a 4, your next level down would be 3's and then 2s and so on. That made sense. Now just a few pages of your site has rank. It doesnt work. Its stupid. Its silly. Its a joke. Please god someone tell Google to stop it! We dont want something that doesnt work or just makes everybody feel bad all the time. Google Page Rank is rediculous! Page Rank sucks. Page Rank is a broken dream. Page Rank is the stupidest and dumbest thing I have ever seen in the web world. It DOES NOT WORK! STOP it Already! Go Away! Leave us alone! Die Page Rank, Die! Go AWAY! YOU STOPPED WORKING IN 2005! GO AWAY!

J_RaD

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 8:00 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

I agree with slinger.

i've got some PR1 sites that still have number 1 organic listings with the borg.

oddsod

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 8:09 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

johnnie, serial sellers who set asking prices based on the PR of the homepage aren't selling "real" sites - they get their "sites" by scavenging dropped domains and patching with content retrieved from the wayback machine.

Nah, you don't need to sell sites to make money from PR. You don't even need to sell links ;)

(OK, the site in my profile sells about 5-10 text links a year, but the charges are based on page traffic, not PR)

Marvin, that's been my consistent experience. I was puzzled by how some pages were getting green with just an internal link till I setup an experiment and used Google Alerts to discover what was happening: Adding an internal link caused a scraper to navigate to the "dead" page and voila - new IBL! Yes, even a scraper's IBL has value: it's all the trigger Google needs!

[edited by: oddsod at 8:17 pm (utc) on Dec. 31, 2009]

TheMadScientist

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 8:14 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR = Pure Rubbish LOL

Sure, if you don't know what to do with it ;)

I know exactly what to do with it:
The same thing everyone else does...

sell a useless site (or link) way over value

[(or link) edited in above]

dusky

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 9:31 pm on Dec 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR counts and is there for many reasons. Yes, the meaning and interpretations changed since 2005. My conclusion is, PR7 and upwards sites are closer (though not quite) to what PR used to be, below that, i.e PR6 and lower, tend to loose reliability as a rank and worth measure .

One of my sites was PR8 and received 2m+ unique visitors monthly (double digit million page views) back in 2005, its financial worth (taking into account 5 years of revenue) was close to $2m (definitely would've sold quickly for 1/2m), its PR then matched its worth, rank, membership and visitors, traffic, buyers etc. That site now is PR5 and 10-20% of what it used to be in every way above.
PR used to be a major indicator, now it is a minor indicator of a site's rank and worth, but the higher end PR7+ sites seem to show PR closer to the truth as a reliable indicator of strength and value.

walkman



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 5:41 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Dusky, PR matters no matter how much Google etc say it doesn't. Maybe because it's correlated with the number and quality of back-links, but either way, good PR is a sign of a healthy site.

For your site, did anything change? I mean did you update less frequently, lose links, people changed taste or...? By looking around, google has gotten more stingy with the PR, or maybe many links are nofollow now.

tedster

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Msg#: 4051743 posted 5:54 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

One of the factors here is that Google is continually processing new backlink data. As well as adding new links to their total web graph and removing links that have vanished, they are also removing the ability of some pages/sites/links to pass PR.

All of this is part of the PR dance, and the ability to remove PR passing is a big factor. They can do this at the domain level, the directory level, the page level and even the level of an individual link.

This is one reason why diversity in a backlink profile is such a valuable asset.

walkman



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 7:08 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts uses this a lot when people mention dropped ranks: maybe the links you had are no longer valued as high as once by Google. Very telling IMO ;)

evensmart

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 7:32 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I got a PR3 rank from the gray bar i had since i started my blog on November 8. So it took me less than 2 months to have this PR3. But i wonder, the traffic is still the same as was without having PR. I know, PR adds to the credibility of the website but i believe now, that there is a very weak relationship with SERP and PR.

parorrey

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 1:33 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

IMHO, PR and traffic only go in the same direction and PR does matter.

traffik daddy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 4:50 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I never link PR to serp positioning and never will, but having a good PR has its advantages...

I suppose it all depends on your link building techniques. One of the many ways is that I try to persuade the authority websites in any given sector to exchange links and I see pagerank as one way of doing this. Once you have established yourself then some of the bigger websites will start getting in touch with you rather than vice-versa, saving you a lot of time.

So, serps and PR have two different meanings in my strategy of running a website.

Everyone to their own I suppose?

walkman



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 5:02 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I got a PR3 rank from the gray bar i had since i started my blog on November 8. So it took me less than 2 months to have this PR3. But i wonder, the traffic is still the same as was without having PR. I know, PR adds to the credibility of the website but i believe now, that there is a very weak relationship with SERP and PR.

You had PR the minute google saw a link pointing at you. Traffic increased as time went by, it didn't wait for the PR to show on the toolbar.

achshar

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 6:18 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

well i just noticed my index page now has pr of one.. well i done exactly know if this is a thing to party or not but still i am very happy at this. although i dont see more than 5 visits from non-paid Google searches every month in G analytics

mcneely

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4051743 posted 8:05 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Cool, my failed site now has a PR3 even though it only gets about three visits a week now.

What's even more interesting is that now I have a domain, that hasn't had any web pages on it for nearly a year and absolutely no backlinks showing up with a PR3.

I've never seen this before ..

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