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PR Update - December 2009
Marvin Hlavac




msg:4051734
 11:26 pm on Dec 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR is being exported. I see pages as new as December 11 having visible PR.

[edited by: tedster at 11:53 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2009]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

 

dublinmike




msg:4052724
 11:35 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I run a particular site which turned over about three hundred thousand euro last year. It has a PR2 and has done for the last year or so. It has a few hundred very relevant back links and solid traffic (growing about 50% y/y). About 1 month ago, I built a soon-to-be-launched 'sister' site which sells similar products but targets a different geographic location. The site has no, i.e. zero inlinks, no traffic but benefits, as a result of this recent update, from a PR3. If anyone can explain that to me, I'd be eternally grateful.

mcneely




msg:4052739
 12:28 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think something at the GooglePlex is broken

BillyS




msg:4052781
 2:38 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I completely agree with the comments about PR. We all know that PR shows after the fact with respect to SERPs. I also agree with the comments about traffic. We had a PR6 several years ago with each update we sank lower to a PR 4. There we stood for what seems like years now. In this last update we went back up to PR5, so while I know it's not as important as it was at one time, I do feel good about the increase.

dusky




msg:4052782
 2:39 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

For your site, did anything change? I mean did you update less frequently, lose links, people changed taste or...? By looking around, google has gotten more stingy with the PR, or maybe many links are nofollow now.

walkman, yes a lot changed, I guess one major change was I used to employ people remotely to write original fresh content under my editorship, news, reviews, papers etc. After Florida, for some reason the site dwindled in traffic and revenue, coincidently just before Florida I diversified the site into geographical regions, first under subdomains, then after few months to their own regional TLDs (Likely to have over done it and changed things too quickly and probably hit by duplicate content handicap filter). I let go of the people I employed and just carried on doing that myself, a lot less than before, needless to say, lesser and lesser content went on to the site whilst working on other sites and projects.

In G*s defense and in my case, I have only myself (in the most part) to blame, when things weren't broken I shouldn't have fixed them, but in a small part, PR holds true for decreasing as that site receives 80% less traffic, same percentage of its worth etc. Back then, we all thought things were forever, I had giants in the industry keeping taps on that site and other successful sites I managed, offers of partnerships, takeovers, mergers etc (approaches and hints even from two of alexa's world top 10 sites, there you go without disclosing of any confidential info here), and a big NO was always my answer. It was not to do with people changing taste, loosing links (eventually did later), it was that the site was the first site to launch serving content revolving round a new major technology that is now a household thing, three years later and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, even though the site is still the authority and pioneer, there are a lot of competing sites squeezing the hell out of it from the top spot for its major keyword and phrases. I can turn it round if I really wanted to, but as I am always a fresh ideas type of a guy, only explosive new ideas get me going, I just like to be there first (don't we all you might say) once there, been there, done that type of analogy, one looses interest, I wish I was a person who pursue big financial gains first and fresh ideas second, maybe I'll learn one day!

dusky




msg:4052783
 2:49 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

About 1 month ago, I built a soon-to-be-launched 'sister' site which sells similar products but targets a different geographic location.

dublinmike, the only thing I get now out of being burnt myself by launching "sister sites" with similar products / services is to warn people and gain a feel good factor. It's up to you what you do, and you may get different treatment, however, do that with extreme care!

Read my previous posts on this thread to see what I mean and what happened to one of the sites I manage as a result of the status-quo!

walkman




msg:4052802
 4:40 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I see dusky,
look on the bright side: you can still squeeze a few dollars out of it. I totally understand your attitude and how it went, now it will be tough for everyone since they are only 10 good spots and all the media is online.

Buy a house in Mexico or somewhere in small town Montana and semi-retire on 2k a month. It will be a challenge and exponentially harder to make a living online. If you have a good year, save and do something else on the side. I am hoping it's not too late for me :)

The only 'forever' seems to be a good domain name--at least so far.

dusky




msg:4052821
 5:59 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I see dusky,
look on the bright side: you can still squeeze a few dollars out of it. I totally understand your attitude and how it went, now it will be tough for everyone since they are only 10 good spots and all the media is online.

Buy a house in Mexico or somewhere in small town Montana and semi-retire on 2k a month. It will be a challenge and exponentially harder to make a living online. If you have a good year, save and do something else on the side. I am hoping it's not too late for me :)

The only 'forever' seems to be a good domain name--at least so far.

The only way I'll leave my desk and quit the online world is if I am locked-up, heck, even there apparently you can get to surf the internet as the new human right thing. Better still, get kidnapped or leave under house arrest WITHOUT internet privileges, ouch that will hurt!

I thought I retired in 1995 and never looked at managing online ventures from my home office as work per say, it seems I was and I am still working. Yes I can still squeeze few bucks out of it and that site still has its own pride and "personality", it refuses to give in and let me subsidies it, still makes more in ads and sponsorships than it deserves, but the the whole thing is about PR and this thread is about precisely that. When that site was PR8 going on to PR9, its PR justified its rank and strength as well as value, PR6 and under is almost unreliable an indicator but still counts. There are a lot of PR5/6 sites that get no more than 200 unique daily (except authority sites), but in 2005 they had to be doing 2000+ at least daily and that's my point.

I hear from reliable sources that G* (and B*g) are set to turn the internet upside down, I was expecting a massive announcement which was due back in early September, apparently it is delayed due to technical and strategic issues, not sure of the nature of announcement or indeed if it was already announced, but apparently equivalent to Florida in terms of shock value such as G* and Ama*on merging, something of that magnitude, let's wait and see, wouldn't be surprised if it's around the corner early 2010!

Oh, (off topic-ish) has anyone noticed now G* search result include categories and subcategories, i.e taxonomy of sites where the term is from right ubder the site domain, example Computer > Internet > Web design..., however, the algo seem to be more machine based than before and has more A.I. feel to it, which is fine, but it is silly sometimes, search for "wireless links" and you get linksys, I was searching for links to sites on mobile or wireless content, it's kind of tongue in cheek, granted linksys (owned by cisco now) manufactures wireless products, BUT LINKSYS was taken literally from the company name and site domain and sort of told me, looking for LINKS? here is a LINKS + YS added for good measure. Just a remark!

It's not too late for you, as long as there is life there is hope, I am on the wrong side of 50 and still marvel at this internet thing we all grew to love and hate at the same time, OK one is getting perplexed at grasping the speed of it, when my grand kinds can grasp new online ideas faster than I can say Linux, it's either things are getting faster or I am getting slower!

CainIV




msg:4053042
 9:32 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Dusky:

There are a lot of PR5/6 sites that get no more than 200 unique daily (except authority sites), but in 2005 they had to be doing 2000+ at least daily and that's my point.

There are plenty of pr4 websites getting over 2000+ uniques per day now, so I think to place too much emphasis on specific metrics might hinder more than help.

Walkman:

now it will be tough for everyone since they are only 10 good spots and all the media is online.

Only if you do not truly embrace online media :)

frontpage




msg:4053265
 3:53 pm on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

I have not looked at Page rank in probably two years. I refuse to have the google toolbar installed on my browswer, are there any legitimate ways to check PR these days without the toolbar?

BillyS




msg:4053271
 3:58 pm on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

frontpage - there are add-ons for Firefox that allow you to see PR.

Eddyarticles




msg:4055969
 4:23 pm on Jan 7, 2010 (gmt 0)

i got a pr 3 this month

caribguy




msg:4062928
 4:53 pm on Jan 18, 2010 (gmt 0)

Am I dreaming or is there another update going on?

graeme_p




msg:4063607
 3:49 pm on Jan 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

Toolbar PR is Google's way of diverting energy that might otherwise go into manipulating the SERPS.

My main site has PR 3 on most inner pages (as always), PR 5 on index pages and other that are linked to from the whole site, while the front page is unranked.

My (non-commercial) blog is apparently entirely unranked (from PR 5), despite getting a flood of traffic from twitter, other blogs, and social bookmarking sites in December. It ranks better than ever.

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