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Huge drop in traffic for the last 2 weeks.
ckissi




msg:4038696
 1:45 pm on Dec 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I would like to get feedback from webmasters who experienced huge drop in traffic because of these (caffeine) changes. We lost almost 40.000 daily visitors.
Site is well established and quite old with lot of natutural backlinks, online since 2004.
What do you think ? Are these changes temporary or permanent ?

 

pageoneresults




msg:4046433
 12:47 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I've seen a few point to DNS as a potential issue. When was the last time you ran a DNS Report for your domain? Is it possible that some of your DNS settings are incorrect and Google is giving you hints?

levo




msg:4046435
 2:06 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Just ran the DNS report, no problems.

pageoneresults




msg:4046450
 2:43 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ah, I see your an AdSenser? Well, I'll withdraw from the topic at this time. Those who have been stretching the boundaries of AdSense have found themselves up poo's creek without a boat. No need to try and explain, Google have been very heavy handed in this area. And, that hand has come down hard on those who are surfing right at the edge of AdSense TOS. I'm not saying you fit that criteria, but with your activity in the AdSense forum, there's a good chance you've fallen into that group somehow.

Now that I go back and look at Profiles of those who are being vocal, most of you are heavy into the AdSense forum. That typically is a signal that there are other challenges at hand.

If this doesn't apply to you, then don't opine on my comments. If it does, then be thankful you've earned what you have from Google AdSense.

How much of your page is AdSense and how much is original content? Those that I've seen take major hits in this area are 100% MFAs. I mean in your face MFAs. If you didn't know how to use your back button, you'd be tricked into clicking a Google Ad. If you fit that bill, then c'ya!

This topic should probably go into the AdSense Forum. :)

If you feel that I'm wrong, please do put your site up for feedback in the Review My Site forum (Subscription Required). We'll see.

Review My Site
[WebmasterWorld.com...]

For some reason, I'm experiencing déjà vu. Don't these topics usually come up around Christmas time each year? And then in January we'll have the AdSense Account Terminated topics? That is the usual progression. I know you don't want to hear that but, that's just the way it has been. :(

levo




msg:4046473
 3:32 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am running just one niche website, that includes a news section that listed in Google News since they've introduced it, a directory, a calendar, jobs board, and some other services (iPhone app, map, etc..).

Not every Adsense publisher is MFAs...

pageoneresults




msg:4046487
 4:23 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Not every AdSense publisher is MFAs.

Understood. But, when these topics arise at WebmasterWorld, I'm almost certain that the larger percentage participating are MFAs. Many don't want to admit it and most won't put their sites up for review to get feedback from others or expose their AdSense strategies.

Google ads may not be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads.

That is the absolute funniest guideline from Google. :) And, it allows them to call the shots however they wish. :(

Dave_Hybrid




msg:4046557
 7:25 pm on Dec 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Right, but wouldn't they ban your asense account for breaking that TOS rather than reduce the traffic they send. Because you in your suggestion these people didnt break search TOS.

karkadan




msg:4046744
 4:18 am on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

The page that is taking #1 on certain keyword has more Adsense than content compared to mine. My site is not MFA, I put a strong sense of responsability in giving users more content than ads.

///

My theory, as mentioned before, is that Caffeine is awarding new pages for specific keywords. Or that, indeed, they are displacing sites for competitives searches just to mix it up.

kjennings2




msg:4046758
 4:54 am on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

be thankful you've earned what you have from Google AdSense

What in the earthly living fridays was that supposed to mean?

karkadan




msg:4046820
 8:04 am on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

BTW, I noticed on my analytics page, on several sites, a drop of 8 to 20% visitors in this month. Kinda weird. Will it rise again? Or put us out of business. GG Google, you always cheer up my holydays.

ckissi




msg:4046946
 2:30 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

BTW, I noticed on my analytics page, on several sites, a drop of 8 to 20% visitors in this month. Kinda weird. Will it rise again? Or put us out of business. GG Google, you always cheer up my holydays.

Welcome in the club ;) I think nobody is able to answer your question as nobody knows here what they changed in the "blackbox".

pageoneresults




msg:4046982
 3:15 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

What in the earthly living fridays was that supposed to mean?

Exactly what it says on the tin, that's what it means.

I've seen some of the sites of those participating in this topic. I can understand Google's reasoning for nuking them slowly. It will come in phases. First the drop in traffic, then comes the slow death. If your livelihood depends on Google, which it does for many in this topic, you're on borrowed time. We're all on borrowed time.

Have all of you been keeping up with every single change that has occurred over the past 90 days? Google have made some drastic changes that affect all of us. There isn't much one can do either other than whine about it or, do something about it. I'll take the latter. How about you?

ckissi




msg:4047015
 4:03 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

First the drop in traffic, then comes the slow death

I see lot of our competitors are OK, and with really sh... sites. That's frustrating. If you see that the new site with almost no quality backlinks is not affected at all and is growing that's really really frustrating.

gohome




msg:4047042
 4:27 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

There isn't much one can do either other than whine about it or, do something about it. I'll take the latter. How about you?

Like you I prefer the latter.

You have given me some food for thought and I had no idea this topic comes up around Christmas. A quick check over at the Adsense forum yeah people are posting up similar issues on loss of traffic and impressions.

If it is Adsense related then excellent, I'll not think twice on removing every single piece of adsense code on my site if its going to fix the problem. I am very near on making this drastic change because I am running out of ideas.

Have all of you been keeping up with every single change that has occurred over the past 90 days?

I am trying my best to catch up with everything that is going on and see some drastic changes have been made. It just makes it more difficult to pinpoint what the issue is for me.

Ah well its a challenge if anything.


Reno




msg:4047077
 5:33 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Don't rely on Google, they can crash your business within seconds.

Gets my vote for the "Best Advice of 2009" award ... and I have no doubt it will be equally revelant in '010 as well.

......................

kidder




msg:4047226
 9:25 pm on Dec 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ditto for pulling down some if not all of my adsense blocks, the income is far from decent anyway.

kjennings2




msg:4047302
 12:00 am on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I can understand Google's reasoning for nuking them slowly.

If they comply with google, no need to nuke. If they don't, then they should be nuked instantly. "Nuke them slowly" sounds improbable to me. Google isn't there to punish anyone, they want good results NOW and if your site is ruining things they'll nuke you now, not torture you to a slow death.

It will come in phases. First the drop in traffic, then comes the slow death.

You need to go outside.

kjennings2




msg:4047305
 12:02 am on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ditto for pulling down some if not all of my adsense blocks, the income is far from decent anyway.

Same here. Until google recovers from these terrible times, no adsense in there... hope more webmasters follow suit.

Edit: Quote didn't appear. Fixed.

SEOPTI




msg:4047349
 2:15 am on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Slow death?

Yes, you should definitely go outside LooL

Badcol




msg:4047397
 5:13 am on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Gets my vote for the "Best Advice of 2009" award ... and I have no doubt it will be equally revelant in '010 as well."

Equally as pertinent during the Florida & Big Daddy Updates.

ckissi




msg:4047429
 7:51 am on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Google isn't there to punish anyone, they want good results NOW

As I said before , I see competitors with completely stolen content (and duplicate of course) and much less number of backlinks are growing while we see huge drop.
So I don't think its about good results.
I hope they still test something and it will be resolved.

teokolo




msg:4047795
 8:05 pm on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

My website is not using adsense (so I feel a bit OT) and I get 99,99% of my traffic from Google.

Since Dec 10 I see a huge drop in traffic too:
Dec 10: -35%
Dec 11: -40%
Dec 12: -50%
Dec xx: -50%

The number of indexed pages is stable (actually it's increasing since I opended a news section), I have no alerts nor errors in GWT, the number of backlinks is stable... everything seems ok except for traffic.

Almost all my traffic is long tail, so it's very difficult to diagnose where I'm losing visitors.

Any thoughts?

PS: my first message :)

trakkerguy




msg:4047846
 9:10 pm on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Teokolo/others,

I have seen the same decline in traffic since approx Dec 10 - for BOTH google and Bing

My rankings are nearly unchanged.

Is the christmas shopping season.

ckissi




msg:4047904
 10:18 pm on Dec 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have seen the same decline in traffic since approx Dec 10 - for BOTH google and Bing

My rankings are nearly unchanged.

Is the christmas shopping season.


I don't think so cause we didn't experience something like that last year. Last there was absolutely no drop. And same in 2007 and 2006. I think its more Caffeine + duplicate content + index cleaning related

But if you're right I would be more than happy ;)

karkadan




msg:4048001
 12:41 am on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

I really wonder if it is a mix. I have checked my Cpanel Awstats, and yes, I've lost 1/3 of traffic in the past 2 months. But are those numbers the same as in Google Analytics?

Awstats shows I got 20.000 visitors last Sunday, Analytics show 14.000.

And as mentioned by others, yes, we know that shopping spree time = less visitors. But half visits? No, never. I've checked stats over 5 years.

This is surely a mess. Last year I was damaged by Adsense low profitabilty (change in pay per click), and now I've beeing damaged by Google traffic. GG.

karkadan




msg:4048002
 12:46 am on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

BTW, is duplicate content the culprit? I decided to put my old articles on a Wordpress style. I got a boost in October. Now those pages are like non existant.

I went along and "duplicated" my content, according to Matt Cutt's assurance that duplicate content on the same site wouldn't be punished. Was that a lie? Or collateral damage from GCaffeine.

Other strange thing. I have 2 Analytic accounts. The one that uses the same code for my main site, all the sites, even with different themes, targets, nature; they all present loss in traffic.

The second account, has increased traffic. All the sites. Coincidence?

ckissi




msg:4048160
 8:15 am on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

I stopped to use awstats because statistics were really irelevant. Awstats counts everyting that it founds in apache log and sometimes robots and "site downloaders" masks themself to look like real visitors. Its much better to use JS based code like google analytics is.
I use Google Analytics + Statcounter and my own php based code for real time stats.

teokolo




msg:4048241
 12:00 pm on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

@ trakkerguy

My niche has nothing to do with holidays: no eCommerce websites, no Christmas offers....
Last year I didn't see any traffic drop and stats are kinda working.

In those days few things happened:
- google introducing page load speed in GWT (and my site is VERY slow)
- personalized search
- maybe caffeine going live sometimes

dstiles




msg:4048560
 8:07 pm on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Has anyone considered that people are not buying due to lack of money this year? There is an awful lack of surplus in some quarters at the moment and real shops are suffering.

ckissi




msg:4049594
 11:44 am on Dec 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Cannot see any increase in traffic so far :( I thought it'll increase a bit after 24. dec. but now it seems to be a permanent drop ...
Number of pages in index is also dropping.

cyclinder




msg:4049617
 2:50 pm on Dec 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

in the same boat. my large website lost about 60% of its traffic since dec 1. hope it will recover.

SEOPTI




msg:4049728
 10:23 pm on Dec 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, the drop continues, it looks like they don't index at all at the moment.

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