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Google's New Caffeine Search Engine - part 2

 8:56 am on Sep 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

For my top target term there are still some differences between the Caffein sandbox and .com results. It does not affect me and looking at them dispassionately the Caffein results (subjectively) serve the user better. More of my significant real world competitors appear and less of the buy their way to the top jokers.



[edited by: tedster at 5:52 am (utc) on Sep. 7, 2009]



 2:22 pm on Dec 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

To go back to Elixir's post on 24th Nov:

"It was nice of Matt to stop by and put our minds at ease but where is the explanation for the bizzare results especially in the travel sector. I also saw one result today where 6 of the top 10 results were differnet blog posts from the same blog as indents. The blog did not even belong to the person I was searchin for."

I am finding some very funny rankings in the travel sector this month. Does anyone know why this industry might be affected particularly by caffeine, and is this something that all travel sector SEO's are finding?


 12:30 am on Dec 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

Silly question and all but the caffeine IP, what does it actually represent in terms of rankings? Is it UK, USA, Google global, what geographic area? This is something I have never read about. Any guesses? And how is caffeine going to be rolled out with serp ranking in mind? Is it going to be based on the sole datacenter IP address that is available now? What does it mean if we're ranking good/poorly in such present caffeine data center? Will we rank good/poorly across the board when Google Caffeine is officially released?

I just don't get it. A little clarification would be helpful. Thanks.


 1:27 am on Dec 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

I remember the travel sector being hit prior and during Big Daddy someone correct me if I am wrong.


 10:10 pm on Dec 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Any new observations on this update? What I thought I was seeing as the results of this one datacenter on my web site has been fluctuating in the past few days, just wondering if anyone else is seeing anything...


 10:41 pm on Dec 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

I had an odd thing happen with my rankings, although I don't know if it can be attributed to Caffeine.

I feature information about a variety of brands of widgets on my site. For one particular brand I've ranked #5 to #10 for most phrases for models from that brand, or for "Acme widgets" and so on.

The other day my traffic went up about 10%. When I checked my stats I found that visits to that brand's pages had increased significantly. I did some test searches and found my pages in the #2 to #5 spots.

I can't figure out any other reason why I'd get a boost in rankings after five years in pretty much the same spots.


 9:53 pm on Dec 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

No new sightings of Caffein-SERPs out in the wild?


 5:41 am on Dec 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have an update:

My site was on page 1 (caffeine) since the beginning. I was also ranking on page 1 in regular serps. Then after thanksgiving things got a little crazy and from the first week of December I slipped to page 5 in regular serps but remained on page 1 Caffeine.

The past 2 days, I disappeared from Caffeine and reappeared on the top of page 4. My regular serp ranking also move to the middle of page 4 from the middle of page 5. I think this is it for me. This is not promising news for people who are on page 1 caffeine and have slipped in regular serps in the month of December. Talk about a caffeine tease. Maybe I am the exception because this is mainly affecting my main KW. Google was sending me a lots of traffic for misspellings for my main KW but now I get zilch.


 7:18 am on Dec 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

"The past 2 days, I disappeared from Caffeine and reappeared on the top of page 4"

"The past 2 days, I disappeared from Caffeine and reappeared on the top of page 4. The past 2 days, I disappeared from Caffeine and reappeared on the top of page 4"

Every website is different, and what might be the case for you may not be the case for the other 99.9% of websites out there.

Generalizing other people's rankings because yours may have shifted, on a new architecture that has yet to be released, is moot point.

Stop, enjoy the holidays, and come back with fresh ideas on what you will do IF your website is still in those positions after the first week of January. :)


 1:35 am on Dec 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Now that Christmas is over, has anyone noticed any spread of Caffeine to more datacenters?


 2:10 am on Dec 28, 2009 (gmt 0)



 2:21 am on Dec 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sorry but which data center is Caffeine in now?


 9:10 am on Dec 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just seem to see more confusion, pages loosing ranks very random and some are coming back after some days. Very old Google-Alerts are still popping in. Seems to me like a big chaos the last days, like a big reindixing with a big recalculation.


 6:24 pm on Dec 30, 2009 (gmt 0)


Your assessment is correct. I know we're not even in January yet but my rankings are improving and now I am in the middle of page 3 in Caffeine. So I feel very confident. Everything seems to be normalizing, Google has also started to give me long tails again, and I am getting a trickle of misspellings for my main KW. These are all good indications.

Happy New Year.


 2:01 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Here is what Matt Cutts said on Nov 10:

"I know that webmasters can get anxious around this time of year, so I wanted to reassure site owners that the full Caffeine roll out will happen after the holidays. Caffeine will go live at one data center so that we can continue to collect data and improve the technology, but I don’t expect Caffeine to go live at additional data centers until after the holidays are over. Most searchers wouldn’t immediately notice any changes with Caffeine, but going slowly not only gives us time to collect feedback and improve, but will also minimize the stress on webmasters during the holidays."

So according to him, the full roll-out will happen "after the holidays"


 2:33 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't know whether caffeine is live or not but one thing is sure that SERPs have changed. Now it seems like holiday SERPs are gone.


 10:01 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am seeing more than a few spammy-looking article sites shooting up to #1 spot. As of 1-3 days ago as a matter of fact.

Ugh. I thought those sites got the boot by G a long time ago?


 11:14 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

I wonder if all of this has anything to do with a PR3 given recently to a site that I own that hasn't been online in over 10 months .. hmmm


 12:07 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am seeing more than a few spammy-looking article sites shooting up to #1 spot. As of 1-3 days ago as a matter of fact.

Ugh. I thought those sites got the boot by G a long time ago?

Maybe this is a new type of personalisation. Google has a sense of humour and is teasing you with stuff it knows will wind you up.




 5:47 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't guys, but I am seeing way different rankings that look allot like caffeine. I have checked 5 different proxies today and they all show the same results. This was not the case 2-3 days ago. Some of the proxies I checked showed normal results and others showed caffeine. Now, they are all the same.

Can anyone confirm or give their opinion on if caffeine is now live or not?


 6:06 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

When I look at searches from the ip address that caffeine went live on I see a different number of competitive sites coming up than I do when doing searches from Google.com and Google from other nations.

I think the number of competitive sites for searches that you see on the other google's besides the one that Caffeine went live on has to match in order to say that Caffeine has gone live.

Any thoughts?


 6:41 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

From the niche I have been watching I would say Caffeine is not live. I still get much different results using the Caffeine data center. I don't think it's going to be an instant roll out, give it some time.


 7:35 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I think spammy sites are getting to top !
I do not know it is a special test or what
but search results sucks !


 7:53 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Does anyone see complete new SERPs, or is it just like the SERPs 2 month ago?


 8:31 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Goog will probably wait for Monday when all Googlers are in office.


 9:45 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I see zero change, but expect the changes we will see will be pretty boring news overall.


 10:06 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

yep, looks like 2 month old stuff to me


 11:57 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Maybe the two months old results in the SERP is how things looked before the holiday index started?


 2:00 am on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

The dedicated Caffeine discussion and the regular SERPs changes thread are now getting blurred into one discussion - so I'm going to lock this one and continue in the regular thread:

Google Updates and SERP Changes - January 2010 [webmasterworld.com]

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