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Google Updates and SERP Changes - September 2009
ChicagoFan67




msg:3981291
 3:04 pm on Aug 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

For the last few weeks in my niche I've been seeing sites that occupy position #6 disappear (particularly toward the end of the week) in and out of the SERPs.

[edited by: tedster at 4:44 am (utc) on Sep. 2, 2009]

 

whitenight




msg:3981304
 3:14 pm on Aug 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

For the last few weeks in my niche I've been seeing sites that occupy position #6 disappear (particularly toward the end of the week) in and out of the SERPs.

Interesting... Perfect timing actually to the question...

when are the caffeine results going live?

lol, was gonna post -
"When all the Goog employees get back from summer vacations to make sure the Position #6 Bug doesn't happen like last time."

Raheel




msg:3981755
 6:05 am on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

What Changes did a Normal Searchers have in SERPs due to caffeine.

What Changes did a Super Searchers have in SERPs due to caffeine.

eljacko




msg:3982659
 2:07 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have just noticed a few of my ranking drop, could this be the caffine update?

whitenight




msg:3982683
 2:43 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have just noticed a few of my ranking drop, could this be the caffine update?

It could be. Please see the other Caffeine thread [webmasterworld.com]

eljacko




msg:3982708
 3:37 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

the thing is whitenight that I am looking at a .co.uk dc and the caffine update test is on .com. How do I find out if the update is happening on the .co.uk as on the sadbox link I am appearing in a better position?

whitenight




msg:3982727
 3:54 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

simply add co.uk instead of .com on your query

tedster




msg:3982847
 6:29 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

This is a different kind of observation. There's one SERP I watch a lot because it has outrageous churn - often changing several times a day. The oddity here is that it has been stable for days!

One other observation is for a site I've often written - it was the first yo-yo I ever saw. It had stabilized in the top 5, as high as #2. Now it fell back to page two for the first time in many weeks. We'll see if it caught the yo-yo again.

(For reference, this is a major corporation whose brand would be near top-of-mind for their marketplace - lots of print and broadcast ads for years, and most people in the US could sing their TV jingle.)

outland88




msg:3983056
 11:01 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Iím beginning to see these seven results per page, which people have mentioned, with a little more regularity. On a couple of pages it was actually only six results because two were indented. So far only appearing with major keywords in my areas. Whether itís intended or unintended its bound to drive more into Adwords and prices up. I look for more of it near the holidays.

For the last few weeks in my niche I've been seeing sites that occupy position #6 disappear (particularly toward the end of the week) in and out of the SERPs.

Seen that for quite a while (six months) in my areas. It exhibits the exact same pattern Adwords would give to those advertising M-F.

tedster




msg:3983066
 11:29 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Remember the Position 6 bug [webmasterworld.com]? Google may have fixed that specific bug, but position 6 itself is a fascinating spot to watch.

Position #4 is almost as good, for example, when a site suddenly pops in there, only to be replaced by a Universal Search result for a bit, and then to come back.

It seems there's an entire infrastructure behind the positions. They are getting to be more fluid, but they sure aren't a traditional ladder of search results, especially when you get below #3

jd01




msg:3983068
 11:44 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Remember the Position 6 bug? Google may have fixed that specific bug, but position 6 itself is a fascinating spot to watch.

Position #4 is almost as good, for example, when a site suddenly pops in there, only to be replaced by a Universal Search result for a bit, and then to come back.

It seems there's an entire infrastructure behind the positions. They are getting to be more fluid, but they sure aren't a traditional ladder of search results, especially when you get below #3

This is really an interesting point to me tedster... I actually think the most fascinating thing about G is it's an ongoing 'live test' of software... Can you imagine?

I mean seriously, one flaw or 'glitch' or difference is viewable to how many people a day? It's really mind boggling when you think about it for a minute for a minute or two...

Sometimes I wonder how much revenue they could lose in an hour because of a difference in the results that changes user behavior even a little bit?

cangoou




msg:3986170
 7:16 pm on Sep 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

Uh, something is happening: For a very competitve keyword, I moved up to #8, but - strange thing - only for "widget", not for "Widget". Since when there are different SERPs for upper- and lowercase?!

I also get different SERPs for german š=ae and french ť=e which Google treated the same since today.

eljacko




msg:3987232
 10:22 am on Sep 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Uh, something is happening: For a very competitve keyword, I moved up to #8, but - strange thing - only for "widget", not for "Widget". Since when there are different SERPs for upper- and lowercase?!"

I have seen this before, not sure why it happens but it did stop after a few days.

eljacko




msg:3987233
 10:24 am on Sep 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't know if anyone else has but on one of my websites over the past few days a different keyword from the website comes up in the top 10 and then goes back later on the day to position 30.

Is this Google going through the website and making changes or is it just DC's playing aroung with me?

mambate




msg:3987835
 7:46 am on Sep 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

GOOGLE today updated, a lot of ranking has changed
I do not know it's a good thing or a bad thing, wait and see

[edited by: tedster at 4:16 pm (utc) on Sep. 11, 2009]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

DaThing




msg:3988365
 12:30 pm on Sep 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

One of our sites has been hit HARD since 11th. Since the 'Fisher Price' update we are receiving just 10% of our usual visitors.

The site is 6 years old and although it was not #1 for any good keyword we usually had about 8000 long tail keyword referals every day, now we hardly get 800...

tedster




msg:3988427
 4:18 pm on Sep 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Welcome to the forums, DaThing. I hope that changes for you as fast as it showed up.

The first thing that comes to my mind is some kind of linking problem has hurt your site's trust level - possibly your outbound links. Have you checked to see if there was a server hack to your site that hid some links to bad neighborhoods, for instance?

DaThing




msg:3988444
 5:03 pm on Sep 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi Tedster, thanks for the welcome.

The site allows visitors to add their own content (mostly comments, but also pics and links) and we check every single content added, everyday. It's a really time consuming task but we do it carefully. And no, there are no outbound links to bad neighborhoods nor any server hack (as far as we can know).

Three months ago we changed the template of all our sites, and we 301'd every single page to the new one. All the 301 were to the same domain as the original, something like "entry.asp?id=2" to "content.asp?id=2".

Once we did the migration, Google began its dance, and it seemed that every domain has its own different music. We saw the yo-yo effect in all the sites (with diff periods of highs and lows for each one) but the two oldest and with bigger trust range didn't notice any traffic change.

It really didn't bother us much, because those sites with the yo yo effect where the less important for us. But then, on 11/9 our highest earning website felt down to the ground. Is it a yo yo effect? We don't know yet. If it is, it comes with about 3 months of delay, and the coincidence in time with the changes in Google's is too much to be just... coincidence.

cangoou




msg:3989303
 5:40 pm on Sep 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Today is like a rollercoaster - up and down, and sometimes a step to the side... I think I got 8 different SERPs in the last 2 hours not including the caffein-results.

barretire




msg:3989305
 5:43 pm on Sep 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am also seeing big swings in the serps going on. With my monitor someone comes to my site with a KW through Google. I go to the exact search they used and the site is nowhere to be found. I am getting visitors from all over the board. I would say since last night my Google traffic has been up close to 500% or more. Something is happening.

Bewenched




msg:3989390
 9:29 pm on Sep 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the same rollercoaster.... slow all morning .. big BIG swing this afternoon.

mslina2002




msg:3989423
 11:26 pm on Sep 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am also seeing changes here flopping between page 1 and page 2 today.

eljacko




msg:3989652
 11:27 am on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am seeing this whole thing bug nothing is making sense, The results are jumping from dc to dc. Any ideas?

I have noticed that home pages are cropping up quaite a bit, can this be a sign of site authority?

gouri




msg:3989675
 12:59 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that home pages are cropping up quaite a bit, can this be a sign of site authority?

Do you mean the homepage is showing up for a keyword when an inner page was showing?

barretire




msg:3989677
 1:04 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the swing going on again today. More and more keywords are popping up. Last night I was getting new traffic on certain KW on Canadien dc's now this morning many of those KW's are showing up on US DC's. Traffic and new searches seem to be increasing by the hour since Sunday night.

Shaddows




msg:3989691
 1:45 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well, we're seeing a huge upswing in traffic and conversions. But then we were expecting it- its seasonal. We're an ecom that sells mostly to business, but we go relatively quiet over the UK school holidays. It generally picks up Week 2 in September. Good increase last week, and again this week.

Its pretty hard to separate seasonal versus algo variation- especially given the turbulance over the summer has meant we cannot establish a base line.

Our rankings have improved on what tedster called elsewhere "fat bellies" (nice term, BTW)

eljacko




msg:3989693
 1:55 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

hello Gouri

Yes, the home page is coming up for many keywords

eljacko




msg:3989694
 1:58 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

traffic is sesonal as we know but the churn of Google DC's is something else.

I have noticed over the past 3 weeks that one of my sites is all of a sudden ranking top 10 for a very competitive term for half a day then dissapearing from .co.uk dc's.

week 1 had kw1
week 2 had kw2
and today was week 3 which had kw3 appearing.

Anyone else noticed this?

barretire




msg:3989732
 3:42 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am also noticing on the test DC that the homepage is showing up insteaad of subpages. I have noticed this for the past week or so. The results to day on regular serps have been very much a roller coaster ride but traffic is increasing hour by hour as the roller coaster happens.

bwnbwn




msg:3989744
 3:55 pm on Sep 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Seeing a wierd one that is new to me. Single word search term I am seeing the same site on first page and 2nd page. Both are home page links to the site.

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