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Google's New Caffeine Engine - the dev version is now public
tedster

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 12:48 am on Aug 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Secretly, they’ve been working on a new project: the next generation of Google Search. This isn't just some minor upgrade, but an entire new infrastructure for the world’s largest search engine...Google's now confident enough in the new version of its search engine that it has released the development version for public consumption. While you won't see too many differences immediately, let us assure you: it's a completely upgraded Google search.

Article at Mashable [mashable.com]

The url for the development version is [www2.sandbox.google.com...]

 

cangoou

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 9:01 am on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ah, I'm getting it only on FF.

Pass the Dutchie

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 9:05 am on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

my site's homepage was showing up in Caffeine but for the past week it is no longer there. Just internal pages are showing up even when I search for the site's unique name. Fine on the live search.

Not sure I want to inform Google. Anyone else?

eiilers

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 11:50 am on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

How ironic - it does appear that this update will be rolled out and completed soon - perhaps by Labor day weekend. I think this was one of whitenight's prodictions. The timing seems just about perfect because I am now also seeing caffeine results in the normal SERPS. Only for certain keywords though (which makes me think it's still going on).

stevegpan2

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 3:09 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I see a spamming site that has been punished in regular G (nowhere to be seen in top 100) shows up in Caffeine in top 10.

is Caffeine more spam-proof?

eiilers

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 4:34 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't think the Caffeine results have all the penalties in place yet. I to see that same thing happening. I think it's just a matter of time. If anything, I think caffeine is going to be more strict, rather than less.

signor_john



 
Msg#: 3969508 posted 4:58 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

How ironic - it does appear that this update will be rolled out and completed soon - perhaps by Labor day weekend. I think this was one of whitenight's prodictions.

Google has a history of introducing big changes over holiday weekends. No big surprise there, and it makes sense to do it when a larger-than-normal portion of the Google audience is barbecuing or watching parades.

BTW, I agree with your suggestion that Caffeine may not have "all the penalties in place yet." That would make sense, too: A change this big needs to be deployed step by step. Critiquing or second-guessing a work in progress is a waste of time.

whitenight

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 8:05 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

BTW, I agree with your suggestion that Caffeine may not have "all the penalties in place yet." That would make sense, too: A change this big needs to be deployed step by step. Critiquing or second-guessing a work in progress is a waste of time.

lol, do you think if you say it enough and wish hard enough, it will make it true?

The SERPS are rolling out NOW and have been "worked on step by step" for the past 3 months (the long national nightmare update).

If you want keep thinking they will be radically different, feel free...
But you keep saying they are going to change, and they haven't yet.

Perhaps you could tell those asking, EXACTLY WHEN you think they will place the "missing penalties" in?

whitenight

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 8:09 pm on Sep 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

my site's homepage was showing up in Caffeine but for the past week it is no longer there. Just internal pages are showing up even when I search for the site's unique name. Fine on the live search.

Wouldn't worry too much about it til after Labor Day, dutchie

signor_john



 
Msg#: 3969508 posted 1:19 am on Sep 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you want keep thinking they will be radically different, feel free...

Who said anything about "radically different"?

CainIV

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 7:43 pm on Sep 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

I can confirm from the comparisons I see between common DC's I am querying and Caffeine that at the moment that framework does NOT seem to be displaying penalized websites the same.

This could mean many things I suppose - the penalties are lifted, portions of the system are incomplete, or the penalties and related factors will be reapplied later.

What is interesting is that the initial link (for me) now shows full ads, but mimics the exact same SERP's that were shown last night on different DC's. Whatever differences there were on that sandbox url are now matched with regular serps.

barretire

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 7:46 pm on Sep 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have not posted on here since Big Daddy. I just wanted to say that I am seeing a rollout going on or atleast what appears to be so. From what I am seeing Caffeine may be here.

BillyS

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 12:20 am on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Things will not settle out until Tuesday.

cangoou

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 7:32 am on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Things will not settle out until Tuesday.

... and this is based on?!

Hissingsid

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 7:55 am on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Actually Wednesday!

Sid

Ref: "Senna the soothsayer"

tigger

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 8:57 am on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

>or the penalties and related factors will be reapplied later.

hope your wrong on that as yesterday a site that had been buried has returned for all its main terms ....but I know never to get my hopes up with G

Shaddows

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 9:09 am on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

There are sites (or more commonly, pages) that are non-penalised in Caffeine. However, when I look into the anomolous Caffeine sites, the reasons for penalisation are not obvious- to the point of being arbitrary or spurious, especially for the severity of the "penalty" applied.

To my eyes, it seems very much that the mechanism of panalisation has changed, and that some false-positives have been returned to SERPs.

I know this doesn't fit neatly into the public statements that this is infrastucture not algorithmic, but frankly its data-led and independant of other considerations.

So, what do other people think of the non-penalised sites? Do they appear indicative that some penalties have not been applied, or that some penalties were undeserved?

Donna

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 2:49 pm on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

My website's homepage is still gone(since June) from the live SERPs but dominating the Caffeine ones. Then again the spamming websites from live SERP's who rank top #3 for a lot of widget combos seems to be penalized and moved to +50 or completely gone in Caffeine. That makes me think there are some algo changes involved too.

tedster

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 6:33 pm on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

My guess is that, as you say, some false positives will be returned to the SERPs. The previously penalized urls that I've checked into do not look like there should have been a penalty, and this summer certainly did see a number of Google penalties that made little obvious sense.

It's just my guess, of course - anything could still happen before the complete transition and my crystal ball can be cloudy ;)

barretire

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 10:06 pm on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

[www2.sandbox.google.com...]

Please try your search again in a few hours.

We are upgrading elements of our data center. The Caffeine sandbox should be available for searching again in a few hours.

Maybe they are updating now.

To be continued...

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 10:59 pm on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)


[www2.sandbox.google.com...]
Please try your search again in a few hours.

We are upgrading elements of our data center. The Caffeine sandbox should be available for searching again in a few hours.

Maybe they are updating now.

To be continued...

I am having no problems at the moment. Try again.

On another note, please start the transfer G! :)

[edited by: MLHmptn at 11:02 pm (utc) on Sep. 4, 2009]

barretire

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Msg#: 3969508 posted 11:00 pm on Sep 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

This had been going on for the last couple of hours or so. Now it does seem to be back on my end.

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[edited by: tedster at 5:52 am (utc) on Sep. 7, 2009]

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