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Google.com SERP Changes - June 2009 - Part 2

 1:09 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

Has anyone affected by the June 8th issue seen any ranking changes in the past 48 hours?

I'm wondering if things are settled, and we're looking at the "new normal".

[edited by: tedster at 7:06 pm (utc) on June 24, 2009]



 1:20 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well my site jumped back to first page for 'professional blue widget' yesterday then dropped again this morning and is now back up to position 7 which is a couple below where it started.

So there is still movement for me but the other listings for that phrase have remained fixed over the last few days.


 1:25 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hm, it got worse in the last 2 days: Some more keywords just vanished...


 2:03 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

So here is the thing... For my main money making keyword I moved from #4 June 1 to #11 June 5 to #20 June 7 - remained there until June 22nd then dropped to #62, then last night went to #7... thought I was reprieved then now all the way back to #62 this morning.

What the heck is going on. There are some sites that are clearly spammer sites ranking way above me. It is unfortunate that probably Google has discounted some of my IBL, I used videos to drive traffic in the past so I had lots of IBL from video sites, plus I have a network with some site wide links, not sure if Google discounted those too.

But in my G webmaster account I have over 500 IBL. I dont know when it has gotten to the dust settling stage. I have hired someone to start building up good IBL, but I have left them on pause until I think the dance is over then start to try and get back some rankings.


 2:37 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)


Could this be caused by a large sudden influx of new links found in swf resources?


 3:06 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Does anyone suspect this may not be to do with in bound links?


 4:26 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Too much time has passed to edit my previous post...

Could this be caused by a large sudden influx of new links found in swf resources?

Many links in swf that didn't count for a "pagerank vote" may now pass pagerank. This adds new outgoing links to the link graph of a page, while decreasing the pagerank value passed for existing links on a page. Think of how many pages on the web use flash...at a global level...they could potentially all be having their pagerank value passed being changed in small ways.

For a very competitive phrase, links may contribute (directly or indirectly) as much as 50% to 70% of reason for a top placement. That being the case, small changes in pagerank at a global level (think billion pages) could potentially affect ranking for any site where links quantity/quality are borderline. Pagerank changes in sites 10 links away from you could be affecting your ranking as the PR flows through.

Of course, this is an educated guess at a root cause, and I have no firm data to support this theory. However, I do have a solid understanding of PageRank calculation and distribution, having written my own crawler and pagerank calculation in the past....and to me, this seems like a possible root cause.

1. Google has publically announced they "just added" new indexing support of external resource files from swf. Post date: Thursday, June 18, 2009
2. Links are potentially contained and indexed from in the newly loaded files.
3. General consensus here seems to be the behavior seems to be link related.

Please shoot holes in my theory.


 6:09 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am still experiencing this very frustrating trend of fluctuating rankings on specific keywords. It started late May, early June when a handful of my main keywords went from the 1st page to 3rd, 4th, and even beyond. They kept fluctuating on the time of day as well. During the day, they were dropped and during the evening they'd come back to where they usually ranked. That pattern kept for about 2 weeks, but now it is irregular. One or two of my fluctuating keywords would come back to the 1st page, only to be thrust back to 4th and beyond a day later but would stay that way for a few days longer before it moves again somewhere else.

It's so strange because only a certain few of my keyword rankings is affected, yet others have stayed put. I mean, I haven't done more or less work with the pages that have dropped than the others that have not, so I'm pretty baffled by this dramatic fluctuation. I've seen these particular rankings fluctuate before, but only for about a week or so. It's been almost a month now and I'm afraid this is not going to stop. Also, when my rankings are in the dropped positions, a lot of junk sites are in the first two pages. One in particular is a single page with one backlink and one outbound link that goes to a shopping site like shopzilla. I also see blog posts on the 1st page from a blog that isn't even updated anymore.

The SERPs for my keywords are just ugly looking.


 9:25 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

my pagerank actually went up this morning, however the site is still not ranking at all.

could that suggest these SERP changes are not a penalty? or perhaps a sign of how unimportant pagerank is.

im away this weekend, it will do me good to get my mind off this for a few days.


 9:50 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm noticing fluctuations on some websites with pagerank, late last night, perhaps just small adjustments?

Interesting that the results were exported for some websites, and not others.


 10:03 pm on Jun 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Are people seeing SERP changes right now that they feel are related to this newest PR update [webmasterworld.com]? My sense is that there is no correlation - especially not for the big drops of minus 50 and the like. PR changes don't tend to make huge upheavals in the SERPs.


 9:47 am on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi, mine came back to where it was on the 21st June on page 1, five from top, but I knew it wouldn't last. Don't know why, just had a feeling it was too good to be true. Lo and behold, suprprise surprise, it went to page 3 yesterday afternoon, and if this is a repeat run of what happened last time, it will probably go to page 9 and disappear again.

[edited by: K_Harris at 9:49 am (utc) on June 25, 2009]


 7:38 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm mentioning Google.co.uk in this general .com thread because I think it may be worthwhile within the general discussion.

I'm wondering if Google.co.uk is being used as a test bed. A few weeks ago we had the mini site links that now seem to have gone. Now I'm noticing one or two sites that come at #1 with a local map for products that have a national spread. One in particular I would not expect to be at #1 for the particular term, after analysis of their pages and backlinks, but they do operate within the niche and would rightfully be #1 for semantically similar terms.

I can't find this site on Google.com in the top 100 for the term that they are #1 with a local map on Google.co.uk.

It almost looks like they bought the space.

Am I missing something?




 9:28 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I lost all my positions I regained. Anybody else noticed this.


 10:58 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have just noticed somebody has put my entire site in a frame on the domain and is passing themselves off as me could this get me a penalty. The url doesn't change because its in a frame and the content is still being pulled from my server.



 12:11 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello, I have just noticed coming in this morning a big shift on the .co.uk dc's. I have 3 sites in seperate industries and the biggest ones are seeing the fluctuation more than the smaller ones.

Anyones see the same thing?


 12:19 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yeah Iv noticed big movement in the UK today.


 12:56 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yeah, a big shake-up on Google.co.uk today. On a couple of major keywords the top 10 results are completely different.

Wish this would settle down.


 1:23 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

so do Stevie B, do you think it will still move or stay still as during the last week I have seen changes on different dc's but today it's a big one.


 3:18 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sid, I've never appeared on Google.com for my main keyword in 5 years, I've always meant UK, not the 'pages from the UK' button, just the usual .co.uk. I'd say it's because of my .co.uk domain, but there are a few others on there with .co.uk, not many though


 4:06 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I think it will continue to move around. I hope whatever Google are playing at is over by July 1st.


 5:23 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello, As I described in the first part of the topic, my site was affected by the serp down on 28 of may.

I see that today my site is suddenly going up and I see that in the Google analitics. Yesterday, thursday I had 152 visits from google (56.93%), today I have 450 (85.07%) visits from G. and it's still 20.15. I'll let you guys know what's up tommorow.

I did not send any reconsideration requests, I just removed some of the forum signatures and 2 of the affiliate sites on my page. I also removed my second Adsense window and some of the exchange links with other sites and blogs.


 9:32 pm on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

where has the image no. gone, its no where to be found on google image, have they now thrown in the towel be cause bing image rules with the perfect moderate filter.


 3:10 pm on Jun 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

This is a big, big algo change for .co.uk.

Notice how theres no mention of it either, at a guess i would say they are testing this out on the QT.

Frankly, G have dropped the ball big style with this

It looks like, and i might be wrong (interested in other feedback) that inbound links from perhaps lower grade sites / blogs etc now give a big negative signal to a website.

I conclude this because i see low value websites with a handful of inbound links out ranking the real authority sites that have a higher number of links but have also attracted some low grade links along the way in their back link mix.

The recent green bar update also downgraded some PR on a volume of good sites whilst increasing PR on some junk sites that didnt deserve it!

Hence, if G had a negative value set for the poor links established sites pick up, it could dilute the quality sites out of existance whilst the dross ranks superb that hasnt got this issue.

At a guess they are probably bashing directory sites and suspected paid links again along with any site that lists in them, but the problem they face is that sites need to promote themselves outside of G. G is not the internet, only a part of it and an authority will promote their site where they can, but it looks like many quality sites have been hit as a result.

currently, the bad news for G is that bing without this kind of algo twist is now returning better serps which pains me to say because im no fan of msn, its always been a bag of nails, but G serps in some classes are now plain dire due to good sites being hit with everything from +30, +40, +60, +950, word blocks you name it!

The other issue i notice is that the UK serps have bits of non relevent US sites in various search results in the listing, its like they have some kind of geo location issue to boot on top of this.

Sometimes, i think G want to fix things that dont need fixing and it does smell of a knee jerk reaction to bing

Currently as a result of this current tinkering its bing 1, Google 0


 4:00 pm on Jun 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sometimes, i think G want to fix things that dont need fixing and it does smell of a knee jerk reaction to bing
That's the problem with having so many PHD types in one building all trying to justify their salary and earn their keep. If they don't fiddle with stuff, they have nothing to do.

This time, they really goosed the pooch and for me, it was the last straw. I've been converted from a hard core Google fan for the last 10 years, to not being able to stand them anymore because I'm sick and tired of their BS. For example, Matts video post saying there is no such thing as a over optimization penalty... Really, I guess Santa Claus is real after all and Google really holds true to their pre-public day mantra "Do no evil". LOL


 1:43 am on Jun 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

where has the image no. gone

This was mentioned in another thread [webmasterworld.com] - site: operator searches on Google Images were showing no numbers. But for many of us the numbers have now returned.


 12:34 pm on Jun 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

google.co.uk has had another change again this morning in the keywords I watch. Is anyone else noticing this.


 4:34 pm on Jun 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

There is definetely something going on. I'm seeing different results, some better, some worse on these IPs:

I can't place any guess other than links or a filter.


 5:26 pm on Jun 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

this morning I noticed my site now shows up when I search for any phrase from the homepage. before it only showed in supplemental index. but it still ranks nowhere for everything it used to and has far fewer indexed pages.

my thoughts now on the changes google may have made are:

1) they penalise sites with timed out / slow pages now.
2) they take a much stricter view of your link neighbourhood. I have removed some social profile backlinks from sites that were starting to get a lot of spammy profiles.
3) its nothing and things will be back to normal soon.

c41lum - I do not see any real changes with the keywords I am monitoring.


 6:56 pm on Jun 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Seeing good results on
also on all searches from outside the US.

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