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Google.com SERP Changes - June 2009
caribguy

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 12:35 am on May 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

< continued from: [webmasterworld.com...] >

I want to echo Outland88's comments on the previous page:

...Google is rotating results, changing the positioning daily, and showing sites on a day/night schedule with many keywords. You canít tell what youíre going to get whenever you do a search. It can explain traffic drops. Google probably has the rankings tied to weather conditions and the price of oil to name a zillion things.

Just finished putting together a spreadsheet that draws from a sampling of ranking positions for eight keyword phrases (3 words) that normally drive substantial traffic for a specific site. The "normal position" for each phrase is between 1 and 15, and I've seen occasional jumps of as much as 10 positions in a single day.

Taking about 15 samples each month for the past year, averaging those results and putting it into a fancy graph, it seems that each phrase has generally kept a particular trend (up/down/equal) for a period of 3 months, followed by a "bump" and then either maintaining the previous trend or establishing a new one. The phrases consist of 2 sets of closely related, nearly interchangeable keywords.

I don't think anything can predicted from a single SERP drop unless the site itself has undergone considerable changes or the webmaster is engaging in aggressive and possibly greyhat marketing/SEO tactics.

If you worry too much about a sudden drop, maybe it's time to take a step back from it all...

[edited by: tedster at 5:47 pm (utc) on June 1, 2009]

 

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 10:46 am on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't have links as most people who are related to what I do are kind of competitors and won't have my site on theirs. I've done a check of who has links for me, but they are not reciprocal, and Yahoo seems to pick up quite a few, whereas G ignores them, they do have a few pages worth, but the ones from very big sites, like Heat Magazine, The Sun etc.. only Yahoo lists? Don't get that.

Still on page 9 this morning.

They say if you are already on Google no need to submit, even when you're on Page 9, Is that a reconsider yet, or do I have to wait longer now. I have no business since this has happened. Incredible how Google can make you feel isn't it?

Just want to mention how great you guys have been, and I'm very grateful for all your input. It is appreciated

K

Hissingsid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 11:22 am on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

K_Harris said
whereas G ignores them

Do you mean using Webmaster tools?

Cheers

Sid

mirrornl

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 8:36 pm on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

FYIO
One of my sites got a -950 penalty, sitewide for all searchterms on May 28-29

Garya

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:38 pm on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

The datacenters all show a different rank then the live search, its been like that for weeks, also webmaster tools show me #10 for my keywords but on the live search #26. Which will be the real one. Hmmm

cangoou

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 8:09 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is the same with the sum of the total results: Differing from 1.800.000 to 3.300.000 seems even to non-technical people I've asked as google having really big problems with the data.

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:27 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sid, Webmaster Tools? Don't know. Sorry, Please bear in mind, I know very little about the lingo, and very little technical knowledge.

Mirror, what do you mean -950 penalty? How do you know if you've been penalised by them? Other than the drops, what/where do you find out?

Hissingsid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:37 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

K_Harris, The reason I asked is because if you mean that doing a link:www.example.com search results in Google ignoring links shown by Yahoo. This is because Google only ever shows a sample of sites that link to you. If you sign up with Google for a Google account you can access Webmaster tools and then you can set it up so you can see a fuller picture of what Google sees.

Cheers

Sid

PS Just search on Google for Webmaster Tools

force123

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 4:19 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

< moved from another location >

Hi,
I started working on a site which had 8,000 views per day for about 1 year ago.
Site improved through time little by little that till 1 month ago I had 35,000 page views per day.

About 2 weeks ago I started losing my page views. and about 4 days ago my page views decreased to 3,500 per day.

80% of my site visitors comes from google results. When I search a keyword that it always was in th first page, now It has gone to the page 10 and after.

I'm not sure what exactly has happened. My site is penalized? How can I find out what is the reason so that I could fix it?

[edited by: tedster at 4:42 pm (utc) on June 15, 2009]

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 5:16 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

horror of horrors, I've been taken off completely now, even on the 'pages from the UK' that nobody actually clicks, where I was still at 6 on page 1. Just went through 30 pages, and it's nowhere to be seen!

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 6:38 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Webmaster Tools? Don't know. Sorry, Please bear in mind, I know very little about the lingo, and very little technical knowledge.

K_Harris - For someone who doesn't know the lingo, you're managing to ask some excellent questions. :)

I think for some of the terminology, though, you could save a lot of time by also using Google and our site search and doing some background reading.

Eg, a plain vanilla Google Search for webmaster tools [google.com] will give you the Google's Webmaster Tools [google.com] page as the first result, with this in the snippet....

Google Webmaster Tools provides you with detailed reports about your pages' visibility on Google. To get started, simply add and verify your site and you'll...

You may have to dig a little deeper for some terminology....

...what do you mean -950 penalty?

Eg, here the "-" sign may create some problems for some searches. The first place I'd look for answers to many of your questions is in our Hot Topics section, which is always pinned to the top of this forum's home page. There's an entire section on penalties, which goes into a lot of what you're asking.

You can also use our site search, which you'll find as "search" in the tiny menu up at the top of each page on the site... or, in Google, you can just append site:webmasterworld.com to whatever search you're doing.

jasonashby

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 7:49 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

I am hearing whispers around that some of the sites hit with a Google penalty was from buying links from a couple of companys that offer EDU links.

Does this ring true with an yone here?

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 8:01 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

Robert, if you are penalised by Google, do they remove all of your pages from coming up or just the home page? If you get a penalty are all traces removed? Will it tell me if there's a problem?

And Jason, no, I've done nothing to the site to cause them removing it

Edit... I can't use as I need to.....

Copy the meta tag below, and paste it into your site's home page. It should go in the <head> section, before the first <body> section.

and I can't do that, and my webguy couldn't care less

[edited by: K_Harris at 8:09 pm (utc) on June 15, 2009]

chrism

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 8:07 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

We took a similar hit on may 28th - no paid for edu links though. (at least not that we paid for!)

A site: search showed our 5500 ish pages fall gradually to about 300 a few days ago, but now we're rising again, right now at around 600 pages returned.

What was odd - and i don't have a clue about the reason for this is if i search for key phrase i'm nowhere to be seen, but if i search for "key phrase" i'm in spot #1 for keywords i used to rank well for.

I'm sitting tight for the time being - hopefully the site: results increasing is a good sign!

tedster

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:51 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

some of the sites hit with a Google penalty was from buying links from a couple of companys that offer EDU links.

We were discussing that earlier in this thread - and not just EDU links, either, although they were involved in several cases. And it was not always links that were actually purchased, but sometimes just links that look like they might have been padi for because of placement and formatting.

troyid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 11:19 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure if this is a penalty, however my home page no longer ranks for anything other than the name of the domain. All internal pages still rank. When I do a site: search the home page is missing from the results. Is this a temporary glitch or penalty?

conor

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 11:29 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

@troyid Sounds like a glitch - seen it before usually returns in a few days.

In the last month or so alot have pages have disappeared on several domains we control and have pretty much all returned in the last week.

Have you updated your homepage recently or adding any internal links pointing back to the index recently?

troyid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 11:39 pm on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just noticed that GoogleBot did not visit my site for 8 days between June 5 and June 12. Maybe this would explain it.

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 1:02 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

I doubt it troy, I think your experiencing what most in this topic are experiencing, a algo change or devaluing of something.

tedster

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 2:02 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

When I do a site: search the home page is missing from the results. Is this a temporary glitch or penalty?

If anyone recalls the post-Halloween changes we discussed last November [webmasterworld.com] you'll also remember sometime very similar - a LOT of home pages went missing. It seems that Google maintains a separate data-set of domain roots -- in the case of last November, apparently domains with some degree of trust -- and back then they didn't get properly imported in the main index.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if something like that is going on again. This approach of maintaining separate lists of domain roots for various purposes is an approach Google seems to like to use. I'm betting that this current set of missing home pages will be back soon. Although I'm not so sure it's the same list that whitenight and others were tracking last November. It may have a different set of criteria attached.

troyid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 2:55 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

The last post on this thread [webmasterworld.com...] is where I got my idea.

cangoou

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 7:11 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

This approach of maintaining separate lists of domain roots for various purposes is an approach Google seems to like to use.

Good idea. The strange thing is that there are domains which are still listed for some keywords very well, but are gone for other keywords.

StevieB

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 7:59 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Another shuffle overnight for one of my main keywords on Google.co.uk - Top 6 are the same but 7-10 are completely different.

I had recovered to 7th - damn it! ;)

cangoou

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:06 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Huh, now it's getting really strange: Some Domains which have been vanished for some Keywords are back if I use the same German keyword, but put the preferences to language "English" - but of course this does not work always.

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 9:10 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well I'm still banished...... : (

c41lum

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 10:23 am on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi guys, Iv not posted in a while, hope ur all ok.

Im noticing pretty much a identical situation to what you guys are talking about. We noticed a big change on Friday 29th May then again on Friday 12th June.

For curtain terms we keep popping back in but for only a few hours. Im just holding out hoping that G sorts its self out. In the mean time im going through and removing and duplicate tittles.

Jez123

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 12:19 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

All the UK people suffering with this - have you checked your position on the UK only search?

I ask as I am seeing lots of non UK sites in the web search that were not there before. I wonder if Google is removing the UK bias to the UK only search. With the influx of non UK sites possibly outranking the UK ones this could push sites down the SERPS.

Just a thought...

c41lum

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 1:21 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Reading between the lines, could there be a possible penalty in place for having too many nofollow links on your page as per [mattcutts.com...] .

StevieB

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 1:49 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

I move back to 7th if I do a UK only search.

Some days there does seem a large number of non UK sites appearing on Google.co.uk

Although, it's not affecting my other keywords today.

They must keep changing the filter.

aristotle

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 2:36 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

I've been down on Google ever since they introduced Universal Search. Their attempt to increase diversity in the SERPs caused them to lose focus on offering the best and most relevant results. Now it appears to me that they are taking "diversity" even further by giving high rankings to pages that are only remotely relevant to the search term, at the expense of pages that do have quality relevant content. I don't know where this will end, but it's headed in the wrong direction.

K_Harris

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 4:14 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Jez123, the 'pages from the UK only' was all I had left, but after the 9 page drop and disappearance, I've even lost my 6th position on pages from the UK as well and that has disappeared TOTALLY from there as well, not dropped, but GONE!

troyid

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Msg#: 3924087 posted 10:05 pm on Jun 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

With great relief my homepage has reappeared and is ranking again. It was obviously a small glitch on Google's end.

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