| 2:09 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
16. Domains that have been 301'd with links.
| 2:26 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Links in Flash movies (games, quizzes, etc).
| 2:32 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
its entirely plausible that websites could be credited for non-internet links. There is no logic that says the value of a website is determined only by its internet presence.
Would this count?
| 2:40 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
(it doesn't take much IMO)
| 2:47 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Would http references in the cite attribute count?
| 2:48 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
yes pg1 it would. I guess I consider that "meta" data like alt or name, or id.
| 2:56 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Links in any documents other than web pages e.g. .doc, .pdf, .txt, etc.
| 3:18 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
blocking a page in robots.txt
non-google toolbars accessing the page you view
unprotected traffic stats
| 5:00 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
What about links in desktop widgets like the Vista sidebar - that how I got to this page, when Brett twittered it.
| 5:49 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I guess what we may be talking about here is content discovery (although that doesn't necessarily mean passing much value) and attribution (that should always pass value, right?). For a search engine, it makes sense (to an extent!) to pay more attention to URLs that other people are paying more attention to.
I think we've covered most of the common ones and also the less common ones :) but a few that come to mind:
- Domain registrations and DNS data - Google have access to newly created domains, and also to DNS files, which will contain references to website hosts - some more frequently than others
- OCR - Google have mentioned this a few times (in connection with PDFs, for instance, and many images contain "watermark" URLs and suchlike).
| 6:17 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Links in contextual ads
| 6:34 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Links written on billboards, cars and other outdoor objects with help of Google Map.
| 7:51 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
great thread, unfortunately I don't have anything to contribute (it seems to have all been said), but great, great posts.
Thanks Brett, this is why I come to WebmasterWorld frequently, I'll be bookmarking this one :D
| 8:06 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Well, I think content discovery is ultimately what we want to discuss. If a SE can't get at the link, it probably shouldn't be in the list.
Aps are interesting. I thought about it a long time (such as twitter aps), but I don't see a method of that url getting into a se bot. How could it?
You know Dinkar, you may have something there. We know for a fact, that Gbot can read text inside of graphics (Google Catalog proved that in spades). Do you think they are running OCR routines over the Google Street View maps? Then they could feed any hits, back into Google maps in order to increase the quality of maps somehow.
It is all in the community Greenleaves. Just trying to give back some of what I get.
> Receptional Andy
> Domain Registration and DNS data
Big time. Nice catch.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:21 pm (utc) on April 16, 2009]
| 8:22 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Here's something I asked Matt Cutts about at Pubcon in Austin - URLs that Google now discovers by spidering forms. Matt confirmed that such "links" send PageRank. Google establlishes a virtual link on their back end when they find something through form navigation and they add that virtual link to the webgraph.
| 8:27 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Seconded, Ted - perhaps the wider category is 'URL manipulation' - i.e. if site.com/?one-word exists, then perhaps so does site.com/?two-words.
Pretty much all of the form spidering I've seen is essentially manipulating GET parameters.
| 8:51 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Google gadgets is a mighty good place for a link discovery
| 9:30 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
This discussion is straying away from inter-site linking, and all over URL discovery... but here are a few more
URLs discovered in any other HTML attributes, like
<img onerror="http://www.example.com" lowsrc="http://www.example.com"/>
for a full list of all possible ones, just take a look at the HTML DTD
... and many more
(incidentally, all of these can also be targets for XSS, but that's another topic)
URLs inferred by parentage:
http://www.example.com/dir/image.gif => http://www.example.com/dir/
URLs used in CSS:
URLs used in conversation via Instant Messaging and Chatrooms (assuming suspiciously that they are not very private)
Tweets and statuses and other user-entered content all over the www
brute-force scraping of tinyUrl et al
the URL set as your "home page" in your browser
*your* Browser History (yes, it is possible to scrape it using some nifty and unobtrusive JS+CSS techniques)
| 10:52 pm on Apr 16, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Referrer info given on an outgoing link.
Logs (either directly available or via some sort of statistical package.
| 1:02 am on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|Do you think they are running OCR routines over the Google Street View maps? |
They have technology and resources ($$$$$); so if they aren't doing it now, then they will start doing it anytime.
| 2:57 am on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'm a bit confused here....
Is this just a "let's list the various link types" for fun thread, or are you implying that there is some value to some of the link acquisition methods described above?
Could you put a "*" next to the ones that you feel are most worthy of attempting to get (of course only the "moral" ones).
These types of links obviously cannot make up for good solid link building skills....but on the rainy days when no webmasters are wanting to reply to my link requests.....would one or two of these suffice to build up my link profile?
Kind of like how a weight lifter dude goes on vacation and there are no weights for him to work out with in the hotel he is staying at for 2 days....so he borrows his girlfriends "thigh master" for a day or two?
[edited by: BaseballGuy at 2:59 am (utc) on April 17, 2009]
| 7:06 am on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Your GMail Account
Your Google Toolbar
Your Google Chat.
| 8:25 am on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Bookmarks (even "private" ones) from services such is Delicious etc. (or that doesn't count in this context?)
| 10:13 am on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
| 1:00 pm on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Thanks 2clean, httpwebwitch both of yours are covered in one form or another.
> OT baseball guy
This is a list of nontraditioal ways to get a url in front of GoogleBot or into the system. The value of doing so is a whole other discussion.
off topic - I cleaned 5-6 side topics in here. Feel free to start another thread with related issues.
| 5:59 pm on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)|
| 9:53 am on Apr 19, 2009 (gmt 0)|
What about detailed location/company-description data in google-maps?
And then google earth's .kml- and .kmz-files, particularly with respect to community-applications like the google-earth-war-project.
(Both might be subsumed under 19) or 23), but shouldn't we better treat each "format other than webpages" on it's own?)
Related: URLs may also be encoded as the "result" of those magical stereoscope images (if you definetly want to keppe SEs out;)
| 3:48 pm on Apr 19, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|Gbot can read text inside of graphics (Google Catalog proved that in spades). |
How about URL written on a graphic?
|Do you think they are running OCR routines over the Google Street View maps? Then they could feed any hits, back into Google maps in order to increase the quality of maps somehow. |
Honestly, it would not be surprised if G is doing this. However, if G is doing this and putting this as a factor in ranking a site, I seriously worry that Internet will become another world that is like our real world (By buying more ads/billboard ads offline, which is easily bought with $$$, a site ranks). There gone the long tail markets and left only manipulation by big shark in the real world.
| 3:15 am on Apr 21, 2009 (gmt 0)|
In the above thread Brett said:
|I am pretty much convinced that links in Gmail pass some juice. |
Is there anybody who has noticed this?
How did you find it?
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