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Google.com SERP Changes - February 2009
pontifex




msg:3839209
 6:18 pm on Jan 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

Stuck in my daily work, I have not paying too much attention on Google lately - maybe tired of PR discussions, dupe checks, etc. But with today's glitch [webmasterworld.com] or the reports here [webmasterworld.com] over the last days of several updates [webmasterworld.com] here on the board, I was reminded of Tedsters prediction on Pubcon in November: they are up to something.

First: Traditionally seems January to be a big update month for Google. I was kicked or blessed in January in the last 7 years more efficiently then in the rest of the year (except Florida).

Today, shortly after the glitch with the malware report, my indexed pages doubled.

Problem is: i have also changed a lot on my major site in the last 2 months after pubcon, so I do not know if that is just me or the rest of you, too?

However: IMHO is something cooking and I have not yet figured out what. I expect major changes in the additional Video and Images results and also in the "Related searches"...

The additional image searches are now at a different place in the SERPs? Isn't that displayed differently now?

Someone with more ideas?

P!

[edited by: tedster at 8:34 am (utc) on Feb. 2, 2009]

 

Shaddows




msg:3846231
 10:07 am on Feb 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ok, adding links to your homepage does two things
1) FUNDAMETALLY changes the way PR circultes on your site (and probably alters any semantic interpretation too)
2) Dilutes the power of your navigation (related to PR but subtely different)

From a link graph POV, your site now looks completely different from before. I suspect that keywords that have been heavily disrupted by the changes will have been given a filter while the iterative calculations work through the system. Unaffected keywords will have kept their rankings

While this is just speculation, I am 100% confident that your ranking drop is nothing to do with monthly SERP changes

flicks




msg:3846965
 4:39 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi Everyone

I too have noticed a change for my website top ranking keywords . There were drop in ranking keywords on 5th of feb for 24 hrs and recovered after that interval. Then again on 8th of feb for 27 hrs and recovered after that. Now the decline of keywords ranking again noticed on yesterday 10th of feb and still waiting the final for the update to complete.

All the keywords ranking is lost as of now and there is a huge decline in the daily traffic, but the changing tendency depicts that there is a change going on from google end. Either its a algorithm update or datacenter update. Whatever I am trying to find it out but still not able to get the correct answer.

My study reveals that the ranking will come again, but the way its acting nothing is sure. It all depends of final step of the process going on at google.

everybody pls share your thoughts and any information in this regard to clarify the ongoing issue.

Regards.........flicks

[edited by: tedster at 4:45 am (utc) on Feb. 11, 2009]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

SunnyHanoi




msg:3846998
 5:49 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi Flicks;

All your keywords dropped or some of them still there?

Do you notice that some of your pages are copied exactly the same and now replaced your page before? if yes then we have the same problem here.

flicks




msg:3847008
 6:15 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

No only few keywords listing have been dropped, and many of the keywords still ranking in top. But the keywords for which ranking have been dropped must be there in the ranking because I see other website ranking in the same position with the same content theme. It seems we both have the same problem.

flicks




msg:3847012
 6:23 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi SunnyHanoi,

I just re-looked many of the top ranking keywords of my website. Many of the traffic deriving keywords have lost top ranking in the SERPs, even it has suffered almost 60% organic traffic of my website. How much effect does it have on your website traffic? Is it changing in the same frequency as i mentioned in my first post for your website too?

Regards........flicks

flicks




msg:3847018
 6:56 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hey SunnyHanoi,

its not like that as far I understand for the update. There is something happening from google end. I have analyzed the result of many keywords disappeared from SERPs top ranking. It shows the the website that have replaced the position are not about any specific website. It all seems to be google update/datacenter update/-950 penalty/-30 penalty/ or something else.

I am just doing more research on this. let's see what the real cause of this, but I am sure that Google is doing something and it's reflecting differently in different sites due to change in theme, visibility, quality and backlinks.

[edited by: engine at 10:16 am (utc) on Feb. 11, 2009]
[edit reason] See TOS [/edit]

SunnyHanoi




msg:3847019
 7:02 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks Flicks;

This has been the 3rd times since Jan 20th, 2009. Do you face the same?

flicks




msg:3847024
 7:26 am on Feb 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

yes it 3rd time for my website too....

first it rollback after 24 hrs
second it rollback after 27 hrs
third time expecting from 24 hrs to 28 hrs...

[edited by: engine at 10:17 am (utc) on Feb. 11, 2009]
[edit reason] See TOS [/edit]

flicks




msg:3847770
 8:26 am on Feb 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

ranking is still not back....

guys pls help to understand the problem.

tedster




msg:3847775
 8:43 am on Feb 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

The first ranking drop you reported was on February 5 - and it is barely a week since then. You will need some patience and a lot of study to understand your paricular situation.

The three "rollbacks" you report are interesting information. I'd suggest reading Yo-Yo Effect [webmasterworld.com] discussion. That thread can also be found in the Hot Topics area [webmasterworld.com], which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page -- along with many other valuable discussions.

The Site Search [webmasterworld.com] page can then help you dig deeper into topics that bring up further questions for you.

flicks




msg:3848497
 4:14 am on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

thanks tedster......let me dig it more to find the answer!

But is question why others not finding same problem.
Only Hanoi got the same prob, what about the rest.

even there are very few people discussing the same problem here. I think this forum need more exposure over internet so that more and more people can come and discuss various topics.

tedster




msg:3848521
 5:56 am on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

An entrepreneurial friend of mine who runs a rather prominent site just had a similar -50 penalty hit their top keyword.

I'm not hands on in this business, but I've known about it for years and and their operation has always been "squeaky clean". I'm leaning toward some kind of collateral damage theory right now, but they do have both employees and competitors - someone may have done something shady that the owner doesn't know about.

flicks




msg:3848543
 7:37 am on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hey guys its over now, and it seems better the before.
All the keywords ranking back as of now and it seems to be the final update.

this time it was longer then 2 updates before, it took around 41 hours this time. I wish this is the final update now.

Cheers everyone, and pls keep doing more posting in this forum.

midseo




msg:3849428
 1:26 pm on Feb 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello,

Any Major Changes for Google Indexing?
My 4-6 website google remove index page Automatically. no result found, no domain found, no catch page found
Google banned my index pages and stopped sending traffic to them. Did anyone experience the same?

pls suggestion my recover website, again listing for google. pls help..

sandeep regards.

tedster




msg:3849533
 5:34 pm on Feb 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Welcome to the forums, midseo - sorry you got such a surprise from Google.

You said "no domain found". That's a big surprise. If your servers were up and you haven't been playing some pretty intense games trying to improve your ranking, I'd suggest that it may be a Google bug that goes away in a short time.

Mid week this week, I learned of 3 different websites that went -50 for every search term except the full domain name navigational search: [www.example.com]. All were squeaky clean as far as I know, and the rankings have returned for all three.

[edited by: tedster at 5:40 am (utc) on Feb. 16, 2009]

flicks




msg:3850406
 4:52 am on Feb 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello Midseo, Tedster point is considerable.

Don't do any unethical things in panic, wait for a while and keep enforcing the white hat seo tricks. Thought I am not sure, it may rather the case of black hat tricks that you might have used to rank up in SERPs or something that's do not comply google guidelines. Well probably as per my understanding of the current scenario, it all due to datacenter update or a little change from google.

It seems google has changed the way it extracts website for keywords ranking. If this is final update from google then it seems some kind of penalty.

Give a brief about the entire scenario so it will help in getting the answer.

zeus




msg:3854423
 12:18 am on Feb 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Rankings on Google today changed - some Big sites index page are lost in Google, not to be found, dont worry they will be back, but hits could be down for some days in the stats.

[edited by: tedster at 1:21 am (utc) on Feb. 21, 2009]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

flicks




msg:3854673
 11:53 am on Feb 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

true Zeus, I saw the same changes in my website keywords ranking too. I am expecting the complete update and recovery of the keywords after 24-48 hours, or don't know if it take much time. well let see what will be the final update.

tedster




msg:3854749
 3:21 pm on Feb 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

some Big sites index page are lost in Google

Sounds like another incomplete polling of the Ghost Datacenter, just like the one that whitenight and others spotted in November 2008 [webmasterworld.com]. Google tilts their cards for us one more time.

ChicagoFan67




msg:3855152
 4:51 am on Feb 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is anybody else observing a big change in titles chosen for sitelinks?

On one of my sites I have 6 categories ordered and titled numerically. keyword was previously included in all 6 sitelinks. Google has now truncated the keyword from all of them and I'm left with a block of sitelinks that look exactly like this:

3 6
4 5
2 1

On another site of mine, I saw the opposite occur where the keyword was added to the title for only 3 out of 7 of the sitelinks.

Is there any way to convey to Google that I don't like the titles without blocking the sitelinks?

kevsta




msg:3855380
 8:43 pm on Feb 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

ChicagoFan67 I just checked in WMT and the previous 7 we had have all been rotated and the same thing, (or the opposite to be more precise)has happened.

there has been addition of keywords to the previously one word sitelinks.

only in the panel though, not the serp yet.

it looks terrible now.

ChicagoFan67




msg:3855503
 12:30 am on Feb 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes. They look so terrible that I'm considering blocking them all if Google doesn't dial things back very soon. A double indented listing will look better.

stephang




msg:3856381
 6:38 am on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello everybody,

My sites have been hit too by the google update.. since the 20th of february. Well some of my pages succeeded in climbing up in SERP but the most important ones are still lagging way behind.. what about you?

MLHmptn




msg:3856415
 7:35 am on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)


Hello everybody,
My sites have been hit too by the google update.. since the 20th of february. Well some of my pages succeeded in climbing up in SERP but the most important ones are still lagging way behind.. what about you?

I do believe what you are seeing is the result of a devaluing of your inbound links. I also believe there has been another PR update that has not been exported to the toolbar yet. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. I could be so VERY WRONG! :>~

tedster




msg:3856472
 10:02 am on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

PR update that has not been exported to the toolbar yet

Real PR is being updated continually, every day. The only kind of "PR Update" that there is occurs when new data is exported to the toolbar. Unless I've misunderstood your point - if so, let's discuss.

flicks




msg:3856485
 10:35 am on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

it seems the 'Real PR' is fake. There is nothing like that. The update take place 24X7 throughout the year, and the PR keeps updating accordingly all the time. Because there are millions of website on the net, so it seems inappropriate to schedule particular day and time frame, don't know if google have done anything like that :). The current scenario seems either change in algorithm logic or datacenter update. Who knows if it's gonna be another mistake by google like in recent past or aur just a phase of update process.

my kwds ranking have also suffered a lot due to this.

MLHmptn




msg:3856506
 11:06 am on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)


Real PR is being updated continually, every day. The only kind of "PR Update" that there is occurs when new data is exported to the toolbar. Unless I've misunderstood your point - if so, let's discuss.

I think I tanked that post! :)

My point was the backlinks are only applied every week or couple of weeks to Google's internal PR of our sites and when Google decides to export this as TBPR is when we see it weeks later or days or whenever they decide to export it to our magical green toolbar. Bottom line is we will see shuffling of the SERP's before we see TBPR and that shuffling is based off of their backlinks as they apply to PR and/or our SERP's positions. SERP's shuffle could mean many, many things but I believe we're experiencing a PR/backlink update as it applies to our sites. Hence the shuffle going on with some sites at the moment. Or who knows maybe Google just threw a new filter out targeting blog comments, blog copy, blog sponsored links, da, da, da....Realistically I don't know for sure and nobody does but the person that applied this(whatever it is) at Google.

Does that sound more definitive? I think you know what I mean Tedster! :> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not know Google counts backlinks daily (and applies them, anyway) to their internal PR and/or ranking our sites every day. If that was the case we'd see a difference in our sites ranking daily and they would be so erratic it would be insane for Google's user base. Of course I could be 100% wrong and that could be a huge reason for the Yo-Yo effect!

Grant29




msg:3856619
 1:58 pm on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi guys, I'm not sure if I'm following the whole thread very clearly. As of February 20th or 21st, I saw a large decrease in traffic to many of my sites. Can anyone confirm that a new algorithm or SERP update was implemented around that time? If not, I'm not sure what caused my drop in traffic.

mr_gideon




msg:3856806
 5:48 pm on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes. They look so terrible that I'm considering blocking them all if Google doesn't dial things back very soon. A double indented listing will look better.

I have seen a shift in the sitelinks as well. Several have had the the brand name dropped and now they have a very general term that directs to a very specific "branded" category. Kind of confusing for the user. To block or not to block? That is the question.

tedster




msg:3856829
 6:08 pm on Feb 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

I did not know Google counts backlinks daily (and applies them, anyway) to their internal PR and/or ranking our sites every day.

That's been my understanding. Of course, all urls are not crawled every day, so the DETECTION of a new backlink will have more of a delay. But once Google has the content of that linking url indexed, it gets folded in to the PR caculations on a continual basis. The effect of new backlinks can sometimes be seen even before the new content shows in the Google cache.

Yes, on a very closely competitive SERP some churn may be created - but nothing so drastic as the yo-yo, I'ds say.

b2net




msg:3857419
 12:49 pm on Feb 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Many domains were -950 filtered today. Has there been a change in the filter?

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