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Huge tip for getting out the 950 it worked for me
restless

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Msg#: 3831011 posted 4:39 am on Jan 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

I had my home page 950'd for numerous competitive phrases that I had been ranking for. So I tried all the stuff in the metioned in this forums and have slowly started to gain those phrases back into rankings, thanks everyone! BTW it wasn't quick it took months!

So after gaining some rankings and traffic back it leveled off for a month or so now so I decided to make some further changes and here's what I did.

I reduced the number of external links from the home page to the bare minimum especially in the main body area of the site, for me this was a reduction from 40 to 20 now to 10. I have been using nofollow for all links before but there was little change in rankings or traffic.

Now I have seen an increase in traffic and rankings! Coincidence? I think not, for many months my traffic was the same (I believe google has been traffic throttling me) and only now a week or so after the change I have seen changes in the traffic and rankings.

Also if you think about it from a user point of view if your homepage has a lot of external links then what is the point of your site? People are coming and leaving straight away (this doesn't help your stickyness factor too) Google would rather rank the sites you are linking to, instead of making the visitor go through your site., that's 1 extra click. A nofollow doesn't fix this because from the user point of view they are still leaving your site, and the user's point of view counts in the google algorithm

You could say social bookmarking sites are an example of sites with lots of links out and they have huge page rank, yes but how often do you see their pages in the top 10 results? never! And they only have huge PR due to thousands of incoming links. PR doesn't mean traffic or rankings anyway.

Again it comes back to how useful is your site? Could you be doing more to make it more useful? Do people really need to see your site first, does it help them?

 

koan

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Msg#: 3831011 posted 5:32 am on Jan 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

This nofollow thing is going out of control, people are afraid of making real links nowadays. I just saw a blog post talking about my site as a great widget source and the blogger was really impressed, etc. His link to my site was nofollowed, even after all the praise. Jeez.

bwnbwn

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Msg#: 3831011 posted 2:28 pm on Jan 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

restless there was a filter discharge of sites that were placed under a filter for various reasons just a feww days ago. Not sure were in here I read this but it was just a couple days or week ,memory is vauge here, ago so this most likely is the real reason you came back.

The earlier changes most likley did the trick and when the site was reviewed again it was given a passing mark to be lifted in the next round.
I reduced the number of external links from the home page to the bare minimum especially in the main body area of the site, for me this was a reduction from 40 to 20 now to 10. I have been using nofollow for all links before but there was little change in rankings or traffic
I highly doubt this was the true reason. Reducing the number is most likely a good thing if it helps the user navigate the site easier, but every link on the home page no follow don't think this was the or had any effect on the move, it was the filter being lifted.

potentialgeek

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Msg#: 3831011 posted 4:39 pm on Jan 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

I would agree with your external link theory IF the anchor text of the outbound links was spammy or repetitive.

e.g:

Red Widgets . . .

yada yada yada

Blue Widgets . . .

yada yada yada

White Widgets . . .

etc., etc.,

I've seen one of those social bookmarking sites with 950d pages and many of them have user-created anchor text.

The users, of course, the general public, not surprisingly, take no consideration of possible penalties when choosing the titles or links.

Since related external links are grouped on the same page, it's inevitable that the pages are going to get extremely spammy anchor text.

One of my competitors has a forum which regularly posts new content from users, and it's set up to allow the users to create the anchor text (like many forums). There is so much repetition because the webmaster has surrendered control of the site to visitors, it remains below my site in rankings.

(This is one reason why I decided not to add a forum to my site.)

Incidentally, on the subject of the 950, I only just noticed in mid-December I recovered from a 950 penalty on one phrase I'd not realized I'd been penalized for...

There are so many phrases related to my sector, I can hardly keep track of them. So my solution (a project I started in early December) is to remove all repetitive anchor text on the same pages sidewide.

Other sites may get away with the repetition, but I probably don't have enough inbound links to satisfy the Google Algo repeats on my site are justified.

p/g

Shaddows

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3831011 posted 4:52 pm on Jan 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

Incidentally, on the subject of the 950, I only just noticed in mid-December I recovered from a 950 penalty on one phrase I'd not realized I'd been penalized for...

Funny you say that. Some pages I haven't really promoted suddenly went from page 4 to exactly the same position on page 1 after some navigational revision (non-intentional KW stuffing in a uncompetitive area- you 'also buy' rather than search for)

Seems I had a -30 thats been lifted that I never knew had been applied.

And a completely pointless item (another 'also buy' but low value and very product-specific) just hit page 2 from absolutely nowhere.

Of course, actually devoting time to reverse those penalties would cost more in time and research than I'll make from the traffic - otherwise this might have inspired me to spend a tedious month searching for low-profile penalties.

nektotigra

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3831011 posted 10:50 am on Jan 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

there was a filter discharge of sites that were placed under a filter for various reasons just a feww days ago.

yep, looks like that. today at about 0:00 GMT someone at Googleplex pulled a plug on my site (the whole domain, in fact) and now I see only damned scrapers when trying to search for my content.

great.

hm... and there's another thing I've just noticed. although Feedburner's stats tells me my subscriber count is the same as yesterday, a counter on the site tells me that I've no subscribers at all. I'm completely confused now.

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