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Overnight PR4 --> PR0
floridadesigns

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 7:15 pm on Jan 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure why this happened, my site just went from PR4 to PR0... and this at a time when I was anticipating moving up to PR5. I just got a few quality links recently, and I just launched a couple new <products> so that is always good for a decent number of incomings.

Now why would Google bring me down to zero. Is there any way to tell why exactly this happens... and is it ever a temporary thing, like for a day or two; or am I basically screwed?

[edited by: tedster at 8:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 17, 2009]

 

tedster

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 9:03 pm on Jan 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is your PR0 a gray bar on the toolbar, or a white bar? Only a white bar is a true PR0 - the graybar means "no information." For this reason, some PR tools report it as "NAN" and not 0.

As you can see around this forum, the so called "gray bar disease" is becoming quite widespread, removing PR information from the public toolbar display for many reasons. Sometimes Google seems displeased with the way backlinks are acquired - such as links forced by wordpress "sponsored templates" or other widgets that require a backlink. Sometimes the pages that went graybar appear to be link collections with little value to users.

The most important question is whether your traffic and ranking are affected. In many cases, they are not.

floridadesigns

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 10:21 pm on Jan 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the quick reply Ted... my rankings are still in tact, but I don't know if that is just because the changes haven't been updated there yet. (Oh, and it is true PR0, white bar)

I did add some external links during this time, some were reciprocal... I wonder if this flagged my account for some reason. I have a good amount of new organic links coming in almost everyday due to the nature of my offerings.

I really don't want all this to go to waste if it is useless at this point. This just happened today, but still I am not one to like to sit on my hands and just hope things get better if you know what I mean. Does it go away often for most people, or are the majority SOL ?

skweb

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 2:48 am on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

<<I did add some external links during this time, some were reciprocal>>
This could be the problem. A perfectly clean looking site that you exchange links with may be part of a search-engine-results-manipulation ring and inadvertently you are now part of a bad neighborhood.

My rule of thumb is No link exchange because even a decent website owner that you can trust can be part of a bad neighbhorhoood without his/her even knowing it (website hacks, forum links, etc.).

dailypress

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 3:46 am on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

'floridadesigns', youre not the only one

My home page had PR of 1 and the four other main pages had PR of 4 and 5. 6 months later the home page had PR of 4 and the rest went grey! Traffic still remained the same.

simstar

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 1:32 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

yesterday my page rank went from 0 - 4, maybe Google got our records mixed up ?

seriously... it could be temporary troubles Google are having crawling your site. Give a bit of time before any drastic action

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 3:08 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Give a bit of time before any drastic action

You should never take "drastic action" after any length of time purely on the basis of what a toolbar tells you.

As Tedster mentions above, the only real conditions to consider are traffic and rankings.

If both of those are good, but the toolbar is bugging you, the best action to take is to uninstall the toolbar.

simstar

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 3:18 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

You should never take "drastic action" after any length of time purely on the basis of what a toolbar tells you.

I believe your advice is wrong. If Google is having troubles crawling your site then action is needed. I highly doubt you would sit there and watch your income disappear, when you could save it by changing something e.g. htaccess file.

You also need to take into account that google page rank is important. People are willing to pay money for high pay rank regardless of whether it is beneficial to SERPS. If you had a page rank 8 website then I am sure you could make a lot of money from the pure basis that it is a page rank 8 site. Different webmasters have different methods and motives, not everyone has SERPS as a top priority.

LongFlatTail

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 3:25 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Same thing here PR4 yesterday PR0 today.. White Toolbar...

and what is worse all my SERPs have tanked... I know this is just another one of Google's 'tweeks' and hope they sort it out soonest. All the other sites that I am usually competing against and winning for my little keyword are still holding their positons. Only my site has tanked. anyways it has done this on and off for the last 5 years and it always comes back within a week or two. So just have to wait...

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 4:58 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

If Google is having troubles crawling your site then action is needed

I agree, but the toolbar has nothing to do with G's crawlers.

I highly doubt you would sit there and watch your income disappear, when you could save it by changing something e.g. htaccess file.

Yes, I agree, but again this isn't related to the toolbar.

The toolbar is frequently broken. If it's bugging you, I recommend uninstalling it - watch revenue, traffic and SERPS - those are the important metrics.

The OP's post is about traffic and product sales, not selling links.

simstar

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 6:50 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

I agree, but the toolbar has nothing to do with G's crawlers.

It does, if your page can't be crawled then you lose Page Rank. My site was temporarily down to Page Rank 0 whilst google couldn't crawl it.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 7:29 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

if your page can't be crawled then you lose Page Rank

That's an interesting side effect, and noted, thanks. However the toolbar doesn't update frequently enough for that to really be a decent detection mechanism of a serious problem like that.

I would suggest using other methods for detecting crawling problems than the toolbar.

simstar

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 7:59 pm on Jan 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

I was quite surprised as well as i believed page rank to be seperate.

Google seems to be showing some activty as I have seen many posts on other webmaster forums reporting similar problems.

tedster

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 4:19 am on Jan 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

There's a related comment from Matt Cutts:

We're pushing PageRank canonicalization updates (as opposed to PageRank values) much more regularly these days, so my first response in a situation like this is to say "Don't Panic," especially if your site hasn't been selling any links that pass PageRank. Normally new canonicalization maps are pushed a few days later and that will often resolve things.

For example, a large retail website had a PageRank go from 7 to 0 recently, but it was because of a deep url/canonicalization issue with their home page. Within a few days, the system had selected the canonical url that most folks would expect and the PageRank came back without anything done by a Googler.

[seroundtable.com...]

Hmmm.... PR canonicalization updates following on the heels of a toolbar update. That does clarify a few things we've noticed over the past few PR updates.

Shaddows

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Msg#: 3828531 posted 9:01 am on Jan 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

By implication, anyone who sees a TBPR tweak outside a full data push should look very caregfully at their canonicalisation. (Those without issues will not need a 'map' to resolve the correct URL)

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