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Only 8 images showing up in Image Search
Boulder90




msg:3789059
 7:16 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

...for my entire site. The main focus is images, all high quality, properly tagged and about 770x400 in size.
About a year ago I opted for the "enhanced image search program". Should I opt out to the normal mode?

Very disappointing for a site with a focus on large, high quality images (outdoors).

 

tedster




msg:3789176
 10:01 pm on Nov 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Image search can be a tough nut to crack. Did you ever have more images included? And even though your subject matter may be all-ages, have you tried the search with SafeSearch off?

dailypress




msg:3794015
 5:33 pm on Nov 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

my new site is about 2-3 months old and I believe I have over 1000 pages. It has good backlinks and decent traffic.

When I google image: example.com images from other sites show up. None appear from my own site, however Google Analytics does say I get Google Image traffic! I dont how that works...

Boulder90




msg:3802388
 7:25 am on Dec 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thank you for the feedback. It's frustrating issue to say the least. Those who offer large, well done photos should be rewarded as those who offer other good content.

whats up skip




msg:3808350
 3:28 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

"When I google image: example.com images from other sites show up. None appear from my own site, however Google Analytics does say I get Google Image traffic! I dont how that works... "

I have a similar situation with my site, a few do still show up. I suffer greatly from "Safesearch" punishment, with over a thousand images only showing up when "Safesearch" is off.

There are a few things you should check:
1 Do you get the same result with "Safesearch" off?
2 Have a look at the other sites that are showing up when you do a search for your domain, are they your images showing up? If so then they are more than likely hot linking them from your site. You will need to block the hot linking.
3 Also try searching for "site:example.com" in the image search.
4 What gallery software are you using?
Some software ends up making most of the pages appear almost the same with the same title, meta description, <h1> and so on. This is really bad as Google basically sees it as duplicate content.
5 Have you submitted a site map using Googles Webmaster Tools?

The image database only seems to update about every three months, so changes take much longer to show up.

piatkow




msg:3808464
 10:22 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

With a gallery of several hundred pictures in static html pages I have found the following issues:
1. Internal links - G may not go deep enough, each image needs a direct link from the level above.
2. Internal links (again) - you need ordinary html links
3. Unique content - create a unique title and h1 for each page. Give each image unique alt text.
4. Safe search - this can be a pain. I had a whole gallery flagged as adult because of a reference to a place name containing the letters e, s and x (not in that order).
5. If a text search on "widgets" won't find a page in your gallery with a photo of a widget then an image search won't either. Of course getting into the main index doesn't mean that the images will be indexed as well.

whats up skip




msg:3808496
 12:02 pm on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Safe search - this can be a pain. I had a whole gallery flagged as adult because of a reference to a place name containing the letters e, s and x (not in that order)."

Are you sure this was the problem?
How did you resolve the problem?
How long did it take to clean up in Google image search?

What other factors do you think can cause this problem with Safe search?

Boulder90




msg:3822526
 5:54 am on Jan 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

< moved from another location >

Ok, I tried to reply to one of my older posts on this subject, but was not permitted to (perhaps too long of inactivity for that thread).

< Moderator note... I trust we've got this in the right place. >

Anyway, my main site is a part of the "enhanced google search" which is the image labeler option. This site has over 400 high quality, 700x500 images. After 1 year and 7 months, ten of those images are in Google's image search index. I can't help but be disturbed when one of my secondary sites (simply a hobby site rarely updated) which I created only a year ago has every single image indexed by Google and is not included in the image labeler/enhanced search program.

A couple things: The images that are indexed via my main site in the google enhanced search have very high rankings(from #1 to #8) for various search terms. But there are only ten of them. That hurts.

What do I do on this? My main site needs to have many more images indexed and it just hasn't happened.

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 7:30 am (utc) on Jan. 9, 2009]

Boulder90




msg:3849109
 9:49 pm on Feb 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Ted, I'm still stuck at around 10 images, which is bizarre to say the least.

I have a couple paths of action:

1. Opt out of enhanced google image program in WMT
2. Add alt.text to my images

The images that are indexed in Google images have very high rankings for some of the keywords (#1), so I'm very hesitant to undo the enhanced google image option in WMT.

Boulder90




msg:3884526
 3:46 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Grrrrrrr....

I have been sticking with the enahced image program and Google finally added about seven new images of mine this morining to their images index (all ranked in the top 20 for their keywords) and then Google removed them tonight! I don't get it.

I don't know how much longer I can stick with the enhanced option out of pure frustration.

whats up skip




msg:3884530
 3:59 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

If the appeared then disappeared the next day it means they are in there, but the index is updating. In a week or so it should be stable.

How many images show if you turn off SafeSearch?

Boulder90




msg:3884540
 4:41 am on Apr 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hi whats up skip -

I have safe search completely turned off so that should not affect my results for now.

zeus




msg:3885395
 9:48 am on Apr 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone

1. you see other sites in your site:domain.com search because others have hotlinks to your images.

2. "you see only see 10% of your images with moderate filter on" thats a Google problem, they cant figure out that those hotlinking sites is not part of yours, so if they write bad stuff, then you are done.

3. as the example with 8 images in google search, you will maybe not see anymore then that, only with filter off, be cause of googles bug.

Boulder90




msg:3891583
 7:03 pm on Apr 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Zeus - thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don't see any of myimages being hotlinked.

Skip - The images have not returned :( There is something way off with my site and Google images.

Boulder90




msg:3894804
 6:19 pm on Apr 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yeah, this sucks. Out of 250 HQ images, 12 are indexed. And when a bunch more try to show up, they pop up for a day and are then completely gone from Google images.

Boulder90




msg:3898213
 12:32 am on Apr 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thx for the feedback ,guys. At this point I think I have no other choice but to disable my participation in the "enhanced image" program even though I have some awesome rankings for my images. My images simply aren't showing up. I have another site with a few images that is not in the enhanced program, and images are showing up two weeks later in Googles image index.

bumpski




msg:3899432
 10:36 am on Apr 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

If the pages on which your images are located are "Supplemental" or even "Gray barred" they will not show up in the Google images database.

Supplemental test:
-site:www.example.com/* site:www.example.com

If your pages meet the following non-supplementals test:
site:www.example.com/*
they are not supplemental and are more likely to have images indexed in the Google images database.

So work on the reasons for your pages being supplemental. Sites with lots of images and little text tend to have many supplemental pages (the Google Toolbar "gray bar" is your first hint).

Unfortunately as others have mentioned you must wait three months for your experiments to have results in the images database. For correcting supplemental problems it may take only one month for a page to become non-supplemental. So if you get a page out of the "supplemental" state, you will still probably have to wait two to three months before the images from that page will show up in the Google images database.

Finally long ago I had found if my web pages linked to a site the had pages that did not meet the Safe-Search criteria, then my pages would not meet the Safe-Search criteria either. By removing links to pages outside my site(s), after a month or so my pages would show up in safe search. Call it Guilt by Association.
An example: I linked to an electronics site with information about SEX, sex of male and female electronic connectors! Removed the link, now my page showed up in safe search (a month later at least).

Good luck, and unfortunately, you'll have to continue to be patient.

Boulder90




msg:3900796
 5:04 am on Apr 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thank you bumpski. It appears that is the problem. Frustrating.

Quick question on possible supplemental problems, both dealing with title and meta descriptions. First, many of my pages are low rank and have no meta description. Others have indicated this is a "must do" on low rank pages. So I need to get on that. I take it I need to ingore the keyword meta and just focus on a good description.

For the title's, I may have a problem:

Let's say one of my pages on my site is correctly titled "Complete Location Name". Then, a secondary page is titled "Complete Location Name Activity". Would this cause problems with being placed in supplemental areas because both titles are using "Complete Location Name"?

Basicaly, what you are saying is that if I do a Google search for site:www.example.com/*, those are all non-supplemental pages. If so, that explains the problem.

[edited by: tedster at 5:06 am (utc) on April 26, 2009]

[edited by: Boulder90 at 5:57 am (utc) on April 26, 2009]

bumpski




msg:3900904
 10:55 am on Apr 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately "site wide" unique Titles and Descriptions are critical for a page to be "non-supplemental", thanks mostly to machine generated sites, which Google of course tries to filter out of its results.

An individual page's Filename, Title, and Description, can and should be similar, using similar or identical keywords is OK, but the description should be one or two complete sentences, including punctuation (I believe). Longer Titles seem to be acceptable these days, but don't string keywords. If you can (while still making sense) put the most important keywords first in your Title.

Keywords Metatag: I just don't know about that one. I think Google does look at it, and maybe a page gets a "point" for taking the time to create one.

So the answer to this question:
Would this cause problems with being placed in supplemental areas because both titles are using "Complete Location Name"?

would be yes, absolutely, unfortunately.

I have seen very compact pages with a single image rank well, but I can't figure out why? It could simply be inbound links, perhaps even hot links. I'm trying to get a page like this to rank now; but guess what? It's still supplemental!

The real gotcha these days is even though a page is supplemental it may be ranking well in the text search results for its keywords, but, again I'm fairly certain it will currently be barred from the Images results!

Finally I believe there is a "secret" for almost any page to rank well, even a page with no inbound links, but I'm not telling. Either way it takes a lot of work for the "secret" to succeed.

Boulder90




msg:3900921
 11:39 am on Apr 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Bumpski the info you gave me today was huge in figuring out the problems I am encountering. All of my non-supp pages all have the images in the Google index and with great rankings (from #2 to #30). The supp pages do not have any images indexed.

I think my main problem is I have absolutely no meta descriptions for my low ranked pages to distinguish them, even though they do offer totally unique content on each page. I am not sure about keywords yet. I think those were abused so badly it might hurt my site.

I find it really strange that having "complete location name" for one page, and then "complete location name area5" for a sub page on that same topic would harm a website in Google's eyes. Usually these pages have something to do with each other, and it's more organized for the user to have them titled as such.

[edited by: Boulder90 at 11:43 am (utc) on April 26, 2009]

bumpski




msg:3900975
 2:05 pm on Apr 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I did forget to mention that PageRank definitely is a big factor in the supplemental status. It's unfortunate but I believe the higher a page's PageRank the sloppier the page can be, more Title duplication etc., bad descriptions, etc. Higher PR less need to conform to Google's standards

I think:
[dmoz.org...]
is an example of what to do to make your pages supplemental. A example hopefully I'm allowed to link to!
Or you could say it's an example of what NOT to do! (To meet Google's requirements for a non-supplemental page!) It appears that about 93% of DMOZ'z pages are supplemental.
The Titles duplicate the sites folder structure, actually very organized from a user perspective, but it also looks just like a machine generated "Made For Adsense" (MFA) site. The paths and Titles have many duplicate keywords. The pages have no descriptions.

The largest human edited directory actually does not meet Google's criteria to be fully indexed! AOL only has 104,000 pages of DMOZ indexed (search site:www.dmoz.org), very close to the non-supplemental test for DMOZ:
site:www.dmoz.org/*

Of course why would Google want to index DMOZ? It really has no content. Come to think of it Google itself does not have that much content and it appears to be 93% supplemental! (As it should be!)

Try the supplemental test on Google:
-site:www.google.com/* site:www.google.com
You end up looking at a lot of weird query links, hmmm.

Try the test on www.example.com. It looks like example.com is trying to spam Google!

I think Google has decided they are doing Webmasters and the Internet a favor by leaving the supplemental test in place. It does make for unique pages.

Boulder90




msg:3908012
 3:48 pm on May 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

Woah.. I added meta descriptions to all my pages(tedious) and 10 days later I have seen 15 new pages added to the non-supp index in Google! Also, three new images have appeared in their index. Nice! The meta descriptions really do work, at least so far.

Awesome information.

bumpski




msg:3908366
 12:38 am on May 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

Good news.

I have noticed when a page is transitioned from supplemental to non supplemental it may show up as both for a period. This might make the stats seem inconsistent.

Lame_Wolf




msg:3908863
 7:04 pm on May 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

If the pages on which your images are located are "Supplemental" or even "Gray barred" they will not show up in the Google images database.

This is incorrect.
I have many images that are on grey barred pages, but still show up in google image search. (6660 to 6890 images, depending when I look).

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