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Google toolbar PR Update - 27 September, 2008
moftary




msg:3753194
 3:42 am on Sep 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a toolbar PR update going on right now.
Weird thing is that it has only been a couple of month since the green bar has moved in the last update. Not that am unhappy with that I actually wish if TBPR updates are weekly or something!

Cheers,
Hossam

 

g1smd




msg:3753940
 9:10 pm on Sep 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

*** The more backlinks the higher the PR ***

No longer just "more". Now, some links don't count for much, some don't count at all, maybe even some count against you?

There are probably several dozen factors that influence this, none of them the pure "number"; relevance, age, history, changes, all play a part.

rocco




msg:3753976
 10:28 pm on Sep 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

more backlinks = more pr, that is still true, but it is all relative to the web's all backlinks. eg for pr7 you need 5% of all backlinks of the web. this might be the amount of a total of 88 backlinks.

after a new update you gained links and have now 94 backlinks, but the entire web gained also backlink as a matter of growth. you 94 backlinks are only a 3% of all the web's backlinks now and you drop to a pr6 although you absolutely gained backlinks.

and now you have to consider that each backlink has its individual relative value, which makes it even more complicated.

moftary




msg:3753987
 10:40 pm on Sep 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

There are probably several dozen factors that influence this, none of them the pure "number"; relevance, age, history, changes, all play a part.

How would these factors affect PR, and TBPR to be specific, by any means?

We are talking about pure PageRank here, not the strength of backlinks on SERPS, which those factors would actually affect.

anallawalla




msg:3753989
 10:43 pm on Sep 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Work site went from PR7 to PR8.

Personal sites mostly static; one went down one point.

One week-old site with three articles and almost zero backlinks shows PR3 - this is the odd one.

A two-week-old work site with about 200 article shows PR2. It has some solid link-love, so this is also odd (but more normal compared to the above).

Small directory sites definitely showing greybar on actual listing pages wherever I look. Big directories that don't pass PR seem untouched.

An interesting TBPR update for sure.

slacker07




msg:3754143
 4:17 am on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Big directories that don't pass PR seem untouched."

I think anallawalla is on target with the update. After reviewing tons of sites, it seems as if google is penalizing for having links on your site going to sites doing bad things like link farm boxes or pretty much any site passing alot of pr so making recipical links exchanges even more devalued or worthless and paid links worthless. Im just trying to figure out what they changed with there algorythim. Also people saying PR has nothing to do with ranking well it does and especily when your trying to get to the number one spot, almost any repitial SEO person will tell you backinks are 80% of SEO. And PR is one way to measure trust and its way more valuable because its harder to fake or falsify.

eljacko




msg:3754260
 8:37 am on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have seen a positive sight on many of my sites but I have found that in each there is one page which has not yet got any page rank.

Is this a waitibg game or is there something wrong with the page?

It was fine before the update but now the page has also dissapeared for it's term.

Can it be the DC I am looking at?

eljacko




msg:3754261
 8:40 am on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have been looking through websites and a lot of no page rank information found pages are coming up. Is this because they are still bing updates?

seoexperts




msg:3754297
 10:20 am on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

well Google did thie PR update almost a month earlier,, and as i felt it has most of the quite good quality pr link gathered in last 2-3 weeks,

again for most of the people i know this Tool Bar PR update, ended up with disappointment.

yeh, this update have been quite unpredictable and very unusual,,

for example, one of site, domain just one month old gained a PR 1 !,
some very good sites like mahalo even lost its pr by 1,
and surely in this update, home page PR of many sites remained almost untouched while inner pages have seen lots of fluctuation in PR..!

Well, i :-D developed an assumption on this early update, Google updated mainly Home page PRs in last ( July )update, and kept changing PRs and backlinks (as I noticed for 1 of my site in Aug-Sep) as well now finally done with the backlinks update & internal pages PR update, they h've spread the update in tool bars. :)

[did anyone else noticed this change in TB PR & backlinks during the month of Aug & Sep.?]

well this is just my personal assumption to this tit bit update..! :-P

directwheels




msg:3754443
 1:36 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

here is a surprising one, the wall street journal site is now PR4, how did that happen?

netmeg




msg:3754478
 2:27 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

Try this, uninstall your Google Toolbar for 30 days. I did and you know what, it really didn't have that much of an effect on me. In fact, the only time I really look at that thing is when people start talk about updates. ;)

Heh, me too, but I didn't have to uninstall the Google Toolbar. Virtually none of the sites I watch for myself or my clients (except for the very newest ones) ever moves at all, up or down, no matter what happens. I'd fall over dead if one of 'em did, at this point.

ebossdavid




msg:3754514
 3:32 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

9 of mine have dropped by 1, others no change... doesn't feel consistent

directwheels




msg:3754574
 4:11 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

all my sites dropped by 1.

Bewenched




msg:3754690
 5:26 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

No change for me here in the states.... maybe internal, but not the home page at this point. however as I speak Goog is doing some major spidering.

JohnM




msg:3755141
 11:35 pm on Sep 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

God, I wish I could understand how PR really works. I have a site with 800-1000 pages of content that has been developed by professional writers over the past 18 months. We started at PR0, moved slowly but surely up to PR1, PR2, PR3, PR4, and PR5 just 2 months ago. Our daily impressions and unique organic google visitors increased directly with our PR.

Two months ago we move from PR5 to PR4. Twenty five days ago we moved from PR4 to PR3. This weekend we moved from PR3 to PR2. Our daily impressions have been halved, even as we add more content.

I'm sure most people will think we've done some kind of black hat SEO that's been "discovered", but we haven't! We're about as straight up white SEO as it gets!

I am completely at a loss about the PR as we have never, ever tried to "game" the system and our site is increasing in quality and content daily.

If PR didn't directly correspond to our unique visitor count or page impressions, I wouldn't care. But it does. And I just. Don't. Get. It.

drall




msg:3755207
 1:36 am on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

US Patent Application 203485343467756757

{GTBPRNG}
Google Tool Bar Pagerank Random Number Generator

A method to confuse webmasters, link sellers or buyers.

romerome




msg:3755224
 2:45 am on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am pretty lost with this as well. I have seen some sites go up to pr 6 with minimal traffic and backlinks. And I see some large sites with tons of backlinks and traffic falling.

My site was unchanged in the last update. In this update home page and sub pages dropped 1. No change in the serps. Still a little worried that I am doing something that big g is frowning on. Not sure what.

In my sector old sites (6+ years old) that have had questionable link practices in the past are retaining pr. Newer sites (2-4 years old) are losing pr.

anallawalla




msg:3755240
 3:29 am on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

well Google did thie PR update almost a month earlier,, and as i felt it has most of the quite good quality pr link gathered in last 2-3 weeks

I question the assertion that this is a "month-old" PR value, as I put up a new domain with new content on 15/9 and it shows PR2. There is no previous domain history. I launched a 3-page site four days before the PR update and it shows PR3. It was not previously registered.

the wall street journal site is now PR4, how did that happen?

I believe you have just uncovered the secret sauce! PageRank is directly connected to the Dow Jones index. :)

referencement2seo




msg:3755291
 5:12 am on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Webmasterworld is now dropped to a 6 homepage !

reseller




msg:3755342
 7:42 am on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts has posted today on "Ask a Google Engineer [moderator.appspot.com]" a very interesting comment including a hint about the current toolbar PageRank update!


We definitely have worked to improve our paid-link and junk link detection algorithms. In our most recent PageRank update (9/27/2008) for example, there are some differences in PageRank because we've improved how we treat links, for example.


Seb7




msg:3755463
 12:02 pm on Sep 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

What does PR actually mean now?

eljacko




msg:3757229
 7:44 am on Oct 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

<moved from another location>

I have 2 sites and both have had something bizarre go on during the last PR update. all the top tier pages, home, about, us etc. have now finally got a page rank but 1 page from both sites have not. they are good quality pages but it seems strange and there is nothing similar between the two pages. Differnt sections, different content.

Has anyone else experienced this?

What can it be?

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 9:09 am (utc) on Oct. 2, 2008]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

ichthyous




msg:3757487
 3:34 pm on Oct 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

My main page dropped by one again, after dropping by one last year. It's now a PR3, which is the lowest it's been since I started the site in 2003. What's worse Google has completely rebalanced traffic dropped traffic to my site...most categories have seen a 25%-60% drop, except for a few which have skyrocketed. The overall effect is about the same net traffic, but much less varied traffic than before. It seems to me that Google is making a strong push to associate each site with a main theme. If you have a varied amount of content on your site that's very bad news.

PCSceo




msg:3758330
 7:25 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

On the 27th we went from a PR5 to a PR6. It was at 6 till today, and is now back to 5. I checked a buch of different datacenters, all 5 now. Anyone else seeing a rollback?

Dabu The Dragon




msg:3758331
 7:27 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same here. One of my sites went from 7 to 8, back to 7. And a 3 to 5, back to 3. Oh well. What does that mean?

[edited by: Dabu_The_Dragon at 7:27 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2008]

tedster




msg:3758342
 7:47 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've seen and heard about other examples like this - seems like this PR Update is acting in some unexpected ways. Some people are even wondering if there have been several different data exports - different "updates".

Last fall we saw several updates in rapid succession around Google's war on paid links, so it this is not without precedent.

PCSceo




msg:3758358
 8:00 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

No paid links on any of our sites.

BradleyT




msg:3758425
 10:07 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

If any sites that link to you have been dinged for paid links then your site could lose some TBPR simply because the linking site probably has less TBPR now.

That effect could go a few website layers out (4-5?) until the dampening effect was too great to have much of an effect on TBPR.

ChicagoFan67




msg:3758471
 11:55 pm on Oct 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

I went from 3 to 0. I'm trying to work out why. My 5 yr old site has canonical problems, but these have always been present. The site used to be a 4 once upon a time.

People are talking about paid links. I don't have any paid links but would Google drop PR for other deceptive linking practices?

This was done unconsciously, but I have an amazon affiliate product text link bang smack in the middle of my homepage above the fold directly after an introduction. This attracts a lot of clicks as people mistake it for a central navigation link. The title of the product is very similar to the title attribute of my Homepage.

Could that cause a drop in PR?

misterjinx




msg:3758608
 10:31 am on Oct 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I noticed Matt Cutts answering a question in Google Moderator [moderator.appspot.com]:


We definitely have worked to improve our paid-link and junk link detection algorithms. In our most recent PageRank update (9/27/2008) for example, there are some differences in PageRank because we've improved how we treat links, for example.

The "nofollow" attribute on links is a granular way that site owners can provide more information to search engines about their links, but search engines absolutely continue to innovate on how we weigh links as well. Thanks for the question!

[edited by: tedster at 4:54 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2008]
[edit reason] add the link [/edit]

wheel




msg:3758654
 1:26 pm on Oct 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't have any paid links but would Google drop PR for other deceptive linking practices?

From what little I've seen, If your PR takes a complete nosedive, it's due to your outgoing links, not your incoming links. And generally what those outgoing links are, are readily apparent.

pageoneresults




msg:3758697
 4:28 pm on Oct 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

It would be interesting to see how many that took a major hit have a links directory on their site or all of their outbounds concentrated in one area of the site, similar to a directory.

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