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martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 5:37 am on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi people,

Im working in <snip> site, making seo for different KWs. Something strange happens in the SERPs with one word, specially with a letter (the letter "i"). For the a keyword that have the word widgets, I have diffente position for the site, if I search yyy widget or yyy wdget (the letter i is different).

Can someone explain me what is happening?

Thanks and regards
Martin

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 3:36 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2008]
[edit reason] No specifics please - see charter [/edit]

 

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 1:47 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure I understand the problem. Using different keywords will inevitably get different results.

While two different words may have the same meaning for you, the SEs just see two different words, and look for a best match on your pages.

You might, for example, use 'tiny', 'minute' and 'very small' interchangeably; but whatever you think, the SEs see three totally independent searches, and will deliver what you actually ask for - not necessarily what you want!

Why would you have more than one spelling of 'widgets' anyway?

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 3:37 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2008]
[edit reason] removed specifics [/edit]

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 3:00 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the response Quadrille.

The difference in the word widgets, is in the letter "i".

My SERPS for zzz widgets with letter "i" (with the point) is 430, and zzz widgets without the point of the letter "i" is 40. I dont have in my site info about widgets without the point of the letter "i" also I dont have inbound links... thats why is strange for me...

Other thing, is that the SERPS are very similar... you can see in the first positions the same sites for zzz widgets with letter "i" with point or without the point.

Let me know if I explained better my problem

Thanks
Martin

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 3:37 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2008]
[edit reason] removed specifics [/edit]

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 3732157 posted 4:18 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

In my widget sector I have the following:

widget colors - 311,000

widget colours - 2,730,000

Believe it or not the big competition is for colors and there is huge optimisation for it!

Is this the sort of thing to which you are referring?

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 4:21 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

...letter "i" (with the point)... (and)... without the point...

Just to clarify... are you referring to accented vs unaccented characters... ie, not as in English, but in the character set of another language?

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 5:48 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Robert, I dont know if the character is in another language, I suppose that yes. I refer here to the letter "i" with the point over it (that compose the letter), it don't talk about an accent over the letter is the simple point that compose the letter "i" :-)

I hope that you understand now?

Thanks
Martin

activeco

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 6:07 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you do not refer to capital vs. small letter (e.g "I" vs "i") then you talk about completely different words.

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 3732157 posted 6:23 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I hope that you understand now?

Nope, it's still not clear to me.

yyy widget or yyy wdget

Which language are we referring to?

Using the example "keywird" what are you seeing "keywiird" "keywyrd" or what?

How does the source code read? That should throw up a clue.

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 9:12 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Are you writing an English language site using a foreign language keyboard?

Does that language use the "i" that you describe?

If so, then find and replace with a correct "i".

On the other hand, if the alternate spelling does not appear, then why are you searching for the alternate spelling?

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 10:07 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the posts. I cant explain better without an example.

I discover this, beacuse foreign people with foreing keyboards wrote this keyword, and the letter i is shown with out the point over it.
The more strange thing, is that the SERPS are very similar, and the keyword highlight by google are the same, using the letter "i" or the letter "i" with out the "." over it as a component.

Thanks
Martin

tedster

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 10:49 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

My apology on this confusion. Our edits to the the first post may have confused this issue because we changed the keyword and used the letter "y" rather than "i".

But martinacastro was posting about a different character - an extended ASCII character that looks like an "i" but with an extra cap on it. I think it was either &#140; or &#141; We tried to make that clear, but we didn't do the best job.

Therefore it is not the same keyword as when the spelling uses a regular "i" character and the SERPs will naturally vary.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 11:26 pm on Aug 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks tedster!

You are true, is not the same keyword, but why google highlight the same words? if they are different keywords... :-)

tedster

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 1:09 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google will highlight (bold) words that it sees as being semantically very close. UK and US spellings, for example, or stemmed variations of the sam root. This sounds like part of the same technology.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 2:16 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks ted, but I don't have that word in my site also I don't have inbound links with that word... so why my site appears in that SERPs and disappear from the correct word?

tedster

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 2:35 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Most likely because the "correct" keyword has a lot more competition. What do you see for the number of pages returned for the two searches?

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 2:38 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks Ted, the result pages are strange:

"correct" word: 4,090,000 the other word 4,460,000

What do you think? Now for the correct word, my site really disapear...

tedster

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 2:43 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

So it looks like my guess was wrong. Still, there's more to competition than total number of results.

I assume that more people want to rank for the "correct" word, and so most of those websites are all trying to do the best SEO they can. This means you have more real competition on that keyword.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 2:56 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

But why some sites that dont have the wrong word, rank for it?

Thanks and regards

tedster

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 3:00 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Because Google's semantic technology sees the two words as closely related. Or because the other spelling is included in backlinks.

martinacastro

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Msg#: 3732157 posted 5:41 am on Aug 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks Ted, I think that is a semantic issue... thanks!

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