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Google.com SERP Changes - July 2008
sunroof




msg:3686975
 4:22 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

Has anyone recovered from June 4th catastrophe?

[edited by: tedster at 5:43 am (utc) on July 1, 2008]

 

SEOPTI




msg:3687170
 8:42 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

No recovery so far.

Kristos




msg:3687193
 9:12 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

one particular site of ours which was badly hurt has started to see a few shorter tail terms begin to slowly come back up, long tails are still nowhere.
its basically a one-page information-heavy (kind of cookie cutter looking site)

SEOPTI




msg:3687208
 9:33 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

The only chance I see is to take a deep look at sites in your niche which have not been affected by June 4 desaster and to make a new site based on these facts.

Chaning current sites makes no sense at all since in most cases you need to change the url/file structure.

[edited by: SEOPTI at 9:34 pm (utc) on June 30, 2008]

tedster




msg:3687221
 9:50 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

started to see a few shorter tail terms begin to slowly come back up, long tails are still nowhere.

Now that's surprising to me - I'd expect to see long tail traffic first, if anything.

Note, in the original June 4 thread [webmasterworld.com] there were already reports of some recoveries, even with no changes made to the website.

Kristos




msg:3687229
 10:17 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

to me too, really!
our target term, very niche, is four words, we've always dominated for it. contains the word "home"
now it's buried - out of sight.
but if I drop "home" bingo, back on the front page.
wild

willybfriendly




msg:3687232
 10:23 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Kristos, do you have a link titled "Home" (as in taking you back to the home page)?

Kristos




msg:3687234
 10:28 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

<quote>
Kristos, do you have a link titled "Home" (as in taking you back to the home page)?</quote>

No it is a one page site with a buy now page being the only other page, no navigation

stockexperts




msg:3687261
 11:27 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes I started seeing my site recover from the June 4 Catastrophe this 19 June and seeing a gradual come back since....

sahm




msg:3687398
 4:42 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

No changes here...I even made some navigational changes, removing some key words, and Google updated with my changes and my positions remain unchanged.

FriskUK




msg:3687558
 9:35 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

My positions have completely dropped this week for a site that has enjoyed good ranking for years.

It happened over the weekend.

On sunday, i jumped to position 4 for my major phrase, then when i check on sunday, it had completely dissapeared.

Even when searching for my sites name (and we're the only site called this, plus i have all the domains, .co.uk, .com, .net).

Now when i look, the first listing of my actual domain is on page 6, all the previous entries are pages about my site.

I'm really hoping this is a glitch, its only been gone for 2 days.

I'm going on holiday tomorrow, i hope that when i come back 18 months work hasn't been wasted.

I'm using exactly the same, safe link building techniques as i use on my other sites, all which have kept their positions.

Has anyone else suffered any similar problems where their ranking came back after a few days?

[edited by: tedster at 9:46 am (utc) on July 1, 2008]
[edit reason] I removed specifics [/edit]

FriskUK




msg:3687565
 9:41 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

slight error in my last post

I meant to say On SATURDAY, i jumped to position 4 for my major phrase, then when i check on sunday, it had completely dissapeared.

[edited by: tedster at 9:46 am (utc) on July 1, 2008]

tedster




msg:3687569
 9:47 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

FriskUK, did you check all the way through the SERPs? That is, are you sure your site didn't end up near the very end, but still there?

Pass the Dutchie




msg:3687571
 9:55 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

No change here and if anything its worse now than it was a few weeks back. More and more keyterms that we used to have in the bag are droping 3-6 pages from being at nos. 1 pror to start of June. So I have decided to do something about it as I can't wait another month.

Complete site overhaul and upgrading from static site to Drupal. Hope to complete by end of July. Will keep 90% of content add some fresh pages, blog, etc, new <ul> navigation but keeping same URL structire, will also move site to a different dedicated server. Small and tightly controlled “hello, over here” link campaign.

This has hit us hard and I wish I could have done the overhaul when we had more time at the end of the year but G habecome impatient and so we must obey : (

Will post back if that 'redeems' us!

PS Tedster, great respect to you but why you locked that June 5th thread down, which could have helped to identify patterns in the specific problem, was most unhelpful.

FriskUK




msg:3687576
 10:02 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Tedster

My domain example.com, used to be no. 1 for "example", we are the only site called this, and very popular, quite a well known name in our industry.

This keyphrase was not even a prime keyword, as it was our product name... our prime keyphrases were big keywords in our industry.

Now when i look, the first listing i can see with my domain, example.com is a deep linked page within the site

e.g.

example.com?id=423423&page=whatever

if i actually search my domain (e.g example.com) it does come up no. 1, but if i search for my brand name (i.e. example without the .com) its gone, plus ive just lost all my other phrases.

i've just been through every page on google searching for "example" and i cant see my homepage at all, its completely gone.

no even on the last page.

FriskUK




msg:3687577
 10:04 am on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

regarding my site, i dont link to any other sites or anything like that, i've no hidden text, no dodgy tags, just lots of good links back, build up over an 18 month period.

whatthefunk




msg:3688057
 10:15 pm on Jul 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

Today, our PR4 100,000 page site lost 80% of it's Google traffic. We still have the same amount of pages indexed. While we have had relatively steady rankings for a couple of years, most of our rankings are significantly down today. Some rankings dropped by -3 or -10, etc. and some fell off completely while others (more towards the long tail) are still at #1. We haven't made any major changes recently and are wondering if there's been some kind of glitch or update by Google. (And hoping that it will correct itself) Any suggestions would be appreciated...

SEOPTI




msg:3688155
 2:18 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

whatthefunk, welcome! You have been hit by the algo part which those machine people at the plex rolled out on June 4. I recommend you read the thread about it.

tedster




msg:3688164
 2:57 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Since this June 4 change is still very much in play, we should probably include a reference link in this thread.

Major Ranking Losses on 2008 June 4 - 5 [webmasterworld.com]

Label_Lady




msg:3688170
 3:15 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

No changes on for us. We're wondering why, but relieved.

Vimes




msg:3688191
 5:12 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi,

i'm seeing pages devalued in my niche and from where i'm looking there appears to be a tune up of the dupe filters on Meta's and titles.

any one else seeing this factor in the Serp's

Vimes.

tez899




msg:3688231
 7:27 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes! Possibly. We've had a major set back on two of our websites, but full domain penalization. I went through webmaster tools, checked/fixed any dupes and now on some data centers results are starting to come back to normal so hopefully all will come back soon!

jackson992




msg:3688236
 7:45 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

We had 8/10 of our sites simply vanish. Tried a site query and nothing shows for that either. We even tried resubmitting our main domain with no change. What can we do as this has brought our earnings down to $0

RedCardinal




msg:3688302
 9:28 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anyone else noticing that after a short break of a few weeks the shuffle has returned? Again seeing the top 4-10 results shuffling both intra and inter day. Complete pain in the arse.

In my case it's single keyword search, and the sites being shuffled aren't delivering solutions to different intent - all or virtually all are commercial sites. Again positions 1-3 have till now remained untouched by this.

Interested if anyone else is seeing this yet?

baaa




msg:3688313
 9:50 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

We lost 90% of traffic on a 100,000+ pages & 5000 visits per day website on June 26 at 12.00 GMT... anyone else experience the same?

the server is hosted in central europe and served italian users...

no blackhat stuff going on, admittedly we had very few external links but i cant see that as a reason to lose 90% of traffic from literally one minute to the next...

the same site exists in 10 other languages, same site architecture, internal linkage, etc but no traffic loss on the other sites...

we had a couple external links to partner sites in the footer (completely unrelated - they were not paid links but links to sites whose owners we know) which we have now removed... but could that seriously be the reason to lose 90% of traffic?!

i am at a loss... any ideas?

pageoneresults




msg:3688325
 10:03 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

We lost 90% of traffic on a 100,000+ pages & 5000 visits per day website on June 26 at 12.00 GMT... anyone else experience the same?

I sure hope not! That would be considered a disaster when losing 90% of traffic on 5000 visitors per day. That leaves you with 450 visitors which if your income is based soley on Google traffic means layoffs and possible closure.

I would have been on the horn contacting Google immediately if anything like that were to happen. Either you've been manually banned or, you have a "major" technical glitch or, I don't think there is another or.

no blackhat stuff going on

What is blackhat stuff?

We had a couple external links to partner sites in the footer (completely unrelated - they were not paid links but links to sites whose owners we know) which we have now removed... but could that seriously be the reason to lose 90% of traffic?!

I'd say that would be a possibility if there were other signals present but we don't know the whole story so we can only provide clues.

I am at a loss... any ideas?

Contact Google, file a Reinclusion Request. Login to your Google Account and ping them immediately. Provide a complete outline of what has happened and the steps you've taken to address any potential guideline violations if there were any.

Has anyone been fiddling with the technical underpinnings of that site?

tez899




msg:3688343
 10:19 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

We lost 90% of traffic on a 100,000+ pages & 5000 visits per day website on June 26 at 12.00 GMT... anyone else experience the same?

------

I think that was around the date when our site dropped, it has only around 100 pages with about 1000 visits daily before this happened. Now it's down to about 100-200 ARGH! I'm seeing some changes on DC's so try looking on;

[72.14.207.104...]
[72.14.207.107...]

To see if your SERPs are intact on them....

Vimes




msg:3688355
 10:38 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

some strange stuff kicking around,

htt*://66.249.89.107/
htt*://66.249.89.*

some HUGE page result fluctuations for some sites both up and down.

CNN for an example has tripled in size.

i didn't think Google did Data Pushes anymore but thats what these DC's look like to me.

Vimes.
[edit to remove link]

[edited by: Vimes at 10:55 am (utc) on July 2, 2008]

Pass the Dutchie




msg:3688356
 10:39 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

[RedCardinal]

yup seeing rotations in the serps that have been going on for months. In our serps top position is held solid for one site others rotate between 2-5 on daily basis, others rotate between pos 6-10. This goes on for a week or two, most positions (apart from nos 1) reshuffle and the rotation starts again.

Seems like ther is a rotation of order but its not random.

I cant understand why this is not making headline news.

pageoneresults




msg:3688357
 10:40 am on Jul 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing some changes on DC's so try looking on...

Huh? Heck, if you want to see changes in the SERPs, just check your positions every couple of hours. There's no need to go rummaging through the DCs, is there? I mean, are those things even remotely predictable? I don't know, I've never "watched" them. What am I missing? Is it worth my time to monitor those DCs?

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